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    Californian who appeared in al-Qaida videos charged with treason
    By Andrew Zajac

    Chicago Tribune

    (MCT)

    WASHINGTON - A 28-year-old California man who has appeared in five al-Qaida propaganda videos was charged with treason Wednesday, becoming the first U.S. citizen charged with the offense since World War II.

    Adam Gadahn, also known as Azzam al-Amriki or Azzam the American, "gave al-Qaida aid and comfort . . . with intent to betray the United States" through his appearances in the videos, including two released last month by the terror network, according to an indictment handed up by a grand jury in Orange County, Calif.

    Gadahn, who could face the death penalty if convicted, is at large and believed to be in Pakistan. As a result of the charges, which also include providing material support to the terrorist group, Gadahn's name was added to the FBI's terrorist most wanted list and a $1 million bounty was offered for his capture.

    Deputy Atty. Gen. Paul McNulty, who announced the indictment at the Justice Department, acknowledged that Gadahn is not charged with planning to attack the U.S., but solely with serving as a propagandist.

    "This is a very significant piece of the way the enemy does business: to demoralize the troops, to encourage the spread of fear," McNulty said.

    Gadahn originally had been charged in a sealed indictment in October 2005.

    An American-born convert to Islam, Gadahn has been publicly linked to al-Qaida by the FBI since mid-2004.

    The decision to publicly detail a new set of charges against Gadahn resulted from stronger evidence against him gleaned from the three videos he made this year, and a desire "to discourage anybody else who might be tempted . . . to join al-Qaida," McNulty said.

    Asked to address skeptics who might view the timing of the indictment as intended to influence the Nov. 7 congressional elections, McNulty said it was driven by the evidence and was "in the best interests of the American people."

    The U.S. has rarely brought treason charges, in part because the Constitution requires two witnesses to corroborate it, said Jonathan Hafetz, of New York's Brennan Center for Law and Justice.

    "It's difficult to prove, and there are other statutes that can be used against alleged terrorists," said Hafetz, who represents terror war detainees at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Station in Cuba.

    One of the last treason cases involved Iva Toguri, an American who in 1949 was convicted on what proved to be coerced evidence of being a voice of the Japanese government's "Tokyo Rose" during World War II.

    After reporters unearthed the coercion, President Gerald Ford pardoned Toguri in 1977. She died last month in Chicago.

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    © 2006, Chicago Tribune.
    Great! Lets find him, try him, then hang him (in that order).
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  • #2
    Wasn't the couple that supposedly gave the USSR the bomb charged with treason?
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    • #3
      No - violating the Atomic Secrets Act. Treason requires both overt acts and aid to an enemy of the US - the "cold" war kind of limited the USSR to a pseudo-enemy, at least in terms of charging people with treason.
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      • #4
        Sounds like a traitor to me.

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        • #5
          Yep, pretty clearly a traitor.
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          • #6
            I'm sorry but if this guy wasn't charged with treason why are we going to charge the new guy?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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            • #7
              That's the "American Taleban" guy... I figure we drew a distinction between Taleban and AQ, and figured that JWL wasn't actually with the terrorists.

              -Arrian
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Arrian
                That's the "American Taleban" guy... I figure we drew a distinction between Taleban and AQ, and figured that JWL wasn't actually with the terrorists.
                Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. - US Constitution, Article 3 sec. 3

                I kind of figured that we had declared the Taliban to be enemies of the US.
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                • #9
                  Don't think Lindh was an AQ propaganda guy, like Gadahn is.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    And that should make a difference for what reason?
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      My guess was it had more to do with the plea bargain ...

                      Also, if treason requires two witnesses, we probably didn't have those against Lindh.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc
                        And that should make a difference for what reason?
                        Easier to prosecute. Treason is tough to prosecute.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Arrian
                          Sounds like a traitor to me.

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                          • #14
                            Do you need to perform the subversive actions inside the USA ?

                            I mean, if you are a US citizen, and you fight alongside the enemy but openly and outside the US, are you still a traitor ?
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                            • #15
                              Yes.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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