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    The true figure of US casualties in Iraq if they were of the equivalent KIA/Wounded ratio in Vietnam...

    US casualty rate in Iraq worst since Fallujah


    The number of US troops being wounded in Iraq is now at its highest level for two years as American forces are confronted by increasing sectarian violence and a continuing insurgency.

    Figures released by the Pentagon show that 776 soldiers were wounded in action in Iraq last month.

    The September figure represents the fourth largest casualty rate since the US and UK invasion in the spring of 2003 and the largest since November 2004 when US forces were involved in a major offensive to clear the city of Fallujah. Some experts believe the number of wounded provides a better insight to the nature of the conflict in Iraq than the figure of 2,700 killed because - in relation to previous wars - many more wounded troops survive.

    The ratio of wounded to killed is 8 to 1, compared with 3 to 1 during the Vietnam War. Anthony Cordesman, of the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, told The Washington Post: "These days wounded are a much better measure of the intensity of the operations than killed."

    The release of the figure came as violence yesterday continued to rock Iraq. US and Iraqi forces were involved in clashes with Shia militia in the southern city of Diwaniyah for the second time in as many months. The US claimed about 30 militia fighters were killed during the operation to secure a "high value" target.

    On Saturday two more US soldiers were killed, bringing the overall death toll to 2,741.

    Military experts say the increasing toll of wounded US troops may in part be explained by a shift in their duties in recent months - with thousands being moved into Baghdad in an effort to stop the killing of civilians by rival Sunni and Shia factions.

    US commanders have asked for 3,000 Iraqi troops to bolster their presence but so far have received only a few hundred.

    Michael O'Hanlon, of the Brookings Institution in Washington, told The Washington Post: "The Baghdad security plan and the spiral of operations is driving us to be more active than we have been in recent months. "We have more people on patrols and out of base so we get more people hurt and killed."

    At the same time, other figures show that the number of attacks against US forces is continuing to rise. In July a total of 2,625 explosive devices were encountered by US forces - with the devices either exploding or defused - compared with 1,454 in January. The increase suggested that despite the killing in June of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qa'ida in Iraq, the anti-American insurgency is intensifying.

    A spokesman for the American military in Baghdad, Lt Col Jonathan Withington, said: "Attacks against the coalition have definitely increased as the enemy is trying to come in and re-establish themselves. There's a lot of weapons in Baghdad."

    In Diwaniyah, the US military said they came under attack from 10 teams of militia fighters armed with rocket- propelled grenades. A US M1A2 Abrams tank was struck by multiple rounds and was severely damaged.

    The US soldiers were carrying out an operation to capture a target suspected of involvement in the killing Iraqi soldiers on 28 August.

    The US and Iraqi operation focused on the house of Kifah al-Greiti, a commander of the Mehdi Army, a militia loyal to the Shia cleric Muqtada al-Sadr. But Iraqi police sources said Mr Greiti was not arrested and it was unclear who the main target of the operation was.

    Fadhil Qasir, a spokesman for the Mehdi Army, told the Associated Press: "They have tried to arrest [Mr Greiti] several times before and they failed this time also."

    In recent weeks there has been a marked increase in US efforts to combat the Mehdi Army. American troops have been involved ina series of raids against Mehdi Army their leaders in Baghdad and elsewhere in an attempt to help quell the violence.
    As the article says, the number of wounded in action sets the benchmark for the true intensity of the war in Iraq.

    26 a day!

    Yep, that is the current US casualty rate over 3 years after the war ended, with 140,000 US soldiers STILL in the country, conditions worsening and no end in sight!

    Hope you chickenhawks are happy with yourselves!
    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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    it's hard to imagine how your effort could've been any worse, or more cliched

    0.1/10

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    • #3
      You give way too much credit, VJ.
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      • #4
        Re: it's hard to imagine how your effort could've been any worse, or more cliched

        Originally posted by VJ
        0.1/10
        Grade inflation
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        AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
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        DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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        • #5
          VJ's answer is excellent: the post-title and the smilie make it great
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          • #6
            Re: it's hard to imagine how your effort could've been any worse, or more cliched

            Originally posted by VJ
            0.1/10
            One must take into account, that unlike in previous threads, modern medicine allows trolls to survive more intense trolling, and thus, the adjusted ratio would be approximately 6/10.
            I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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            • #7
              How many are wounded in traffic accidents in your city daily?

              At the American Legion, and VFW, we send supplies frequently. Albertsons donated food and supplies that filled 2 semi trailers.
              We are invited to read mail by parents with sons and daughters In Iraq.
              None of those involved weep and moan to your level.

              Go ahead and continue your tirades though.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by VJ
                it's hard to imagine how your effort could've been any worse, or more cliched
                Exactly what the world said as it collectively rolled its eyes at Bush's invasion of Iraq...
                Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: it's hard to imagine how your effort could've been any worse, or more cliched

                  Originally posted by LordShiva
                  Grade inflation


                  Seeing as this isn't a troll, the true rating should in fact be 0.0...

                  I suppose given the nature of this board 0.1 is a fair enough score though...
                  Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SlowwHand
                    How many are wounded in traffic accidents in your city daily?
                    Daily? I doubt even one, on average.

                    At the American Legion, and VFW, we send supplies frequently. Albertsons donated food and supplies that filled 2 semi trailers.
                    We are invited to read mail by parents with sons and daughters In Iraq.
                    None of those involved weep and moan to your level.
                    Surely an indication that the US supply chain is also over-stretched from the continuous strain of having to keep up this embarrassment of US foreign policy...

                    The US a safer place, I doubt the parents of the soldiers in Iraq think so, seeing as the anquish of grief when one of their kids is blown up doesn't recognise national borders.

                    Go ahead and continue your educational and thought provoking posts about why it was dumb for us to invade Iraq though.
                    Sure thing, Sloww...
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                    • #11
                      Re: 7,309

                      Originally posted by MOBIUS
                      The true figure of US casualties in Iraq if they were of the equivalent KIA/Wounded ratio in Vietnam...
                      They aren't. You may as well compare KIA/WIA ratios for the battle of Arbela.

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                      • #12
                        Hasn't this troll been used before on 'poly?
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                        • #13
                          Can we simply have a mobybot and be done with this already.

                          Or perhaps we already have one.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MOBIUS


                            Daily? I doubt even one, on average.



                            Surely an indication that the US supply chain is also over-stretched from the continuous strain of having to keep up this embarrassment of US foreign policy...

                            The US a safer place, I doubt the parents of the soldiers in Iraq think so, seeing as the anquish of grief when one of their kids is blown up doesn't recognise national borders.



                            Sure thing, Sloww...
                            Anquish?

                            Quess you have to be from below the eguator to qet that one.

                            ACK!
                            Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!

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                            • #15
                              Indeed, the amazing thing is that when I made those doom and gloom predictions years ago, I actually underestimated the casualties and cost of the war...
                              Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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