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    Ruling national coalition parties take hit in local Belgian elections amid far right gains
    BRUSSELS, Belgium Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt said he had work to do to lure back voters to his national coalition after local elections produced large gains for an extreme-right party and dealt a blow to his re-election prospects next year.

    Verhofstadt sought to put a brave face on the losses of his Dutch-speaking Liberal Democrats across Flanders in northern Belgium in Sunday's voting. "The average trend of the Flemish Liberal Democrats is not so good," Verhofstadt said. "We must acknowledge that the government has had a few bad months and we know that whoever leads faces the most fire."

    He added, however, that he was "convinced the results ... will be different come next year." Verhofstadt recently resolved a government crisis and infighting within his party which were both blamed for the growing unpopularity of his government.

    Less than a year before parliamentary elections, his party lost votes mostly at the expense of the extreme-right Flemish Interest party and the Christian Democrats.

    "We have gone so far ahead. ... We have won spectacularly. We are the winners of this election," Flemish Interest party Chairman Frank Vanhecke claimed. The party made big gains in almost all the 308 municipal councils across Flanders.

    It expanded well beyond its traditional support base of Antwerp to win the most votes in seven municipalities outside the northern port city. It was another major victory for a party that's been scorned by the country's political class.

    Full unofficial results from Antwerp, where the Flemish Interest party was hoping to remain dominant, showed that incumbent Mayor Patrick Janssens bucked the trend. His Socialists captured 22 seats compared with 20 for the extreme-right party on the 55-seat council, the results showed.

    Flemish Interest party leader Filip Dewinter said his opponents could not claim victory, saying they only maintained the status-quo, with little gains over the last elections six years ago.

    "We have not done so good" in Antwerp, Dewinter said, because "immigrants got the right to vote, that had an influence." He claimed that other parties pushed measures to fast-track citizenship for migrants in the city, giving them the right to vote.

    His party, which ran on an anti-immigrant platform, has been kept in opposition in Antwerp by an unlikely rainbow coalition whose only common cause is keeping the city out of the hands of the far right.

    That scenario is likely to be repeated in other areas in the north, meaning that despite its strong showing overall, the party is unlikely to take part in governing, even in municipalities where it now has the largest number of seats on the city council.

    Results in from across the country also showed losses for Verhofstadt's French-speaking Socialist partners in the southern Wallonia region, who are reeling amid corruption charges. The party also suffered losses in the capital region of Brussels, but kept control over the capital city.

    The Socialists were forced to give up their absolute majority in the industrial city of Charleroi in French-language region of Wallonia and also lost seats in Namur, the capital of the region, and in the largest southern city of Liege.

    French-speaking Christian Democrats were the biggest benefactor of lost Socialist votes in the capital and in Wallonia.

    "Unfortunately there were some bad results," said Elio di Rupo, Socialist leader and premier of Wallonia.

    Verhofstadt had hoped to stem major losses before national elections expected in either May or June and to keep in place his fragile coalition for a run at a third term in office.

    Up for grabs in Sunday's voting was control of 308 Dutch-speaking Flemish municipalities and 262 French-speaking Walloon municipalities, as well as 19 mostly bilingual municipalities in the capital, Brussels.
    bleh

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    Is this me, or we see an awakening of far right political party in Europe?
    bleh

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    • #3
      Originally posted by cronos_qc
      Is this me, or we see an awakening of far right political party in Europe?
      This is what happens when PC politicians gloss over problems with immigrants, the xenophobic, racist creeps get votes.

      PC nuts:
      Racist creeps:

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      • #4
        It seems people want to slow down immigration especially from muslim countries.
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        • #5
          Of what does the Belgian far-right consist? Does it have a xenophobic fascist strain, like in Austria, etc.?
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            AFAIK, the Belgian far-right is even worse than ours. It was openly and aggressively anti-semitic in the 90s (more so than here, where every direct anti-semitic slip generates echo and is thus either idiocy or carefully positioned to catch attention and create the "look how we are marginalized"-reaction) and now found a new scape-goat in the muslim community (and suddenly hopes for Jewish votes ).
            "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
            "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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            • #7
              Anti-semitic? That surprises me.
              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS
                Of what does the Belgian far-right consist? Does it have a xenophobic fascist strain, like in Austria, etc.?
                There isn't really a belgian far right.

                It is a flemish "problem". And this far right party even looks moderate relative to some American right wingers out there, just to put things in perspective.

                The party is indeed rooted in xenophobism. However, major shifts have occured since they first started in the 70ies. IMO, at least half of their success is comming from the fact that they were able to hijack the flemish movement.

                Another thing is that in flanders there is no real alternative to vote for right political views: we have a left wing party and two centrist parties. The former moderate right move very much to the center leaving a vacuum.

                Add on top of that a 'cordon sannitaire' (no matter how much votes they obtain they are never included in the coalition talks) and you have a recepy for this kind of nonsense.
                "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wernazuma III
                  AFAIK, the Belgian far-right is even worse than ours. It was openly and aggressively anti-semitic in the 90s (more so than here, where every direct anti-semitic slip generates echo and is thus either idiocy or carefully positioned to catch attention and create the "look how we are marginalized"-reaction) and now found a new scape-goat in the muslim community (and suddenly hopes for Jewish votes ).

                  Were did you get this from ? They started as a racist party, not against the jews but mainly against turkish and maroccan imigrants.
                  "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                  • #10
                    The flemish movement? I thought Belgium got over that divide long ago.
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                    • #11
                      It never stopped really. We still are slowly moving to a more federal state (as opposed to a centralist state).
                      "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by dannubis
                        Another thing is that in flanders there is no real alternative to vote for right political views: we have a left wing party and two centrist parties. The former moderate right move very much to the center leaving a vacuum.
                        I assumee you're talking about the VLD. In that case, only rightwingers claim the VLD is moving to the center. Leftists say the VLD is currently moving to the right.


                        To give some nuances to the opening article, while the Vlaams Blok has gained more local seats than in 2000, it is harder to say if this means they are still gaining popularity.

                        One. Six years is an age ago. The Vlaams Blok simply didn't run with a list then in many communities, so people who wouild have wanted to vote for them if given the possibility simply couldn't. In 2000 their result was underappreciated.

                        Two. While they have more seats compared to 2000, it is harder to say if they still get more votes than in 2004, the last election for the Flemish level. Municipal election results can't be used well to spot trends, because of all the local cartels and little parties etc. However for the provincial election results the Vlaams Blok has 20,5% IIRC. Of course a gain compared to 2000. However in the last Flemish elections 2004 they had 24%.

                        The problem is of course you can't fully compare provincial and Flemish/federal election results. For the Christian-democrats traditionally have more support on the local levels. Perhaps a work-around could be to look at the provincial results of the socialists and liberals. They gained more or less 1.5% less than their presumed weight on the federal level. If you assume (big assumption I know) this -1.5% also counts for the Vlaams Blok, you get 20,5% + 1.5% = 22% for the federal/Flemish level. That's still 2% less than in 2004.

                        So my guess would be the Vlaams Blok has in fact decreased in popularity compared to their peak in 2004. But the real test will be next year 2007 for the federal elections. They'll no doubt gain votes compared to the 2003 federal result, but the question is if they will still have gained compared to the 2004 Flemish result. Unlike provincial<->federal, Flemish<->federal results can be compared rather well.

                        So next year you may see a thread on this forum 'Far right gains in Belgium' wherein the Vlaams Blok claims yet another victory (compared to 2003), while in reality they're going down (compared to 2004, their current peak).

                        I'd suggest to change this thread title to "Evolution of far right in Belgium unknown".
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by dannubis



                          Were did you get this from ? They started as a racist party, not against the jews but mainly against turkish and maroccan imigrants.

                          IIRC, however, the islamophobia was definitely strengthened in this century and was not so dominant before. Some VB members were connected to holocaust denial (Roeland Raes) and in the beginning it was most probably more a nationalist/seperatist, "traditionally" racist flamish party than one targeting muslims from the beginning.
                          However, I don't doubt that recent tensions with the islam generally contribute to VB's success.
                          "The world is too small in Vorarlberg". Austrian ex-vice-chancellor Hubert Gorbach in a letter to Alistar [sic] Darling, looking for a job...
                          "Let me break this down for you, fresh from algebra II. A 95% chance to win 5 times means a (95*5) chance to win = 475% chance to win." Wiglaf, Court jester or hayseed, you judge.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Maniac


                            I assumee you're talking about the VLD. In that case, only rightwingers claim the VLD is moving to the center. Leftists say the VLD is currently moving to the right.


                            To give some nuances to the opening article, while the Vlaams Blok has gained more local seats than in 2000, it is harder to say if this means they are still gaining popularity.

                            One. Six years is an age ago. The Vlaams Blok simply didn't run with a list then in many communities, so people who wouild have wanted to vote for them if given the possibility simply couldn't. In 2000 their result was underappreciated.

                            Two. While they have more seats compared to 2000, it is harder to say if they still get more votes than in 2004, the last election for the Flemish level. Municipal election results can't be used well to spot trends, because of all the local cartels and little parties etc. However for the provincial election results the Vlaams Blok has 20,5% IIRC. Of course a gain compared to 2000. However in the last Flemish elections 2004 they had 24%.

                            The problem is of course you can't fully compare provincial and Flemish/federal election results. For the Christian-democrats traditionally have more support on the local levels. Perhaps a work-around could be to look at the provincial results of the socialists and liberals. They gained more or less 1.5% less than their presumed weight on the federal level. If you assume (big assumption I know) this -1.5% also counts for the Vlaams Blok, you get 20,5% + 1.5% = 22% for the federal/Flemish level. That's still 2% less than in 2004.

                            So my guess would be the Vlaams Blok has in fact decreased in popularity compared to their peak in 2004. But the real test will be next year 2007 for the federal elections. They'll no doubt gain votes compared to the 2003 federal result, but the question is if they will still have gained compared to the 2004 Flemish result. Unlike provincial<->federal, Flemish<->federal results can be compared rather well.

                            So next year you may see a thread on this forum 'Far right gains in Belgium' wherein the Vlaams Blok claims yet another victory (compared to 2003), while in reality they're going down (compared to 2004, their current peak).

                            I'd suggest to change this thread title to "Evolution of far right in Belgium unknown".
                            Maniac is right. I however did not want to complicate things. All I wanted to say is there is more than one reason that leads to this party and its current success.

                            Regarding my political beliefs, I am indeed (in Belgium) on the right side of the socio-economical spectrum. I would therefore like a democratic party to vote on that on the one hand does not want to destroy the very fabric our sociaty is made of but on the other hand still has some sense in it regarding the sustainability of it all.
                            "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wernazuma III



                              IIRC, however, the islamophobia was definitely strengthened in this century and was not so dominant before. Some VB members were connected to holocaust denial (Roeland Raes) and in the beginning it was most probably more a nationalist/seperatist, "traditionally" racist flamish party than one targeting muslims from the beginning.
                              However, I don't doubt that recent tensions with the islam generally contribute to VB's success.
                              Given the fact that many of the VB's founders had neonazistic sympathies that will have undoubtadely played a role. Their program however has always been centered around problems with imigrants.
                              "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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