Global warming: the chilling effect on free speech

[notyoueither]

On the bright side, housing prices in Calgary will become more affordable.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No, the iceberg is not what doomed the Titanic What doomed the ship was the captain's insitence on going full speed ahead in calm waters where icebergs had been reported, thus rendering the ship unable to make a course correction should an iceberg appear in front of them. All because the goal of fastest maiden voyage was economically important.

It is an extremely apt allagory. We refuse to slow down today because we'll lose money. By the time we know for certain whether or not humans are the pricinipal cuase of GW, it will be too late to do anything one way or another. The results of which will be devestating for humanity. Of course we'll surivive, but millions more won't, maybe even billions. That's too high a price to pay so that some people can continue raking in the big bucks.

If you really believed that, you wouldn't live in Florida. The only responsible thing to do is move somewhere sustainable.

Even if we bow to the wishes of the greenies and assume that anthrogenic CO2 is the primary cause it is already too late. I argue against Kyoto because by their own estimates the best they could do was delay the effects slightly (the 100yr Kyoto compliant temp was equal to the 94yr non-compliant temp).

The CO2 is already in the atmosphere. Nothing you can do. It would take more energy to sequester the excess CO2 than was generating in liberating the CO2.

[Odin]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker


Ever heard of a little principle called "conservation of energy"?

Ever heard of the sun?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by BlackCat
Hate to say it, but any kind of anarchist society is impossible.

As the old Anarchist slogan goes, Demand the Impossible!

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by General Ludd



As the old Anarchist slogan goes, Demand the Impossible!

Can it wait until tomorrow ? Today I'm working on a "can't be done" project.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Odin


If you are confusing me for the luddite psudo-enviromentalists you are sorely mistaken.

Nope, I'm considering you as one with a serious kneejerk problem - at least it hasn't evolved into a armjerk problem yet

[Cort Haus]

Re: Re: Global warming: the chilling effect on free speech

Originally posted by molly bloom
This is the same Brendan O'Neill who is/was a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party, is it ?

I don't know whether he was in the old RCP or not, but your ad hominem attacks would certainly appeal to Al Gore.

The funny thing is, I went to a debate between the Greens and the RCP in the late eighties, when at the time I was actually campaigning for the Greens. The Green speaker tried to portray them as Stalinists, but it became clear during the debate that it was actually the Greens that were trying to create socialism in one country.

Horror stories about the RCP are a staple part of leftist mythology - police spies, south african nazis, serbomonsters blah blah. Your example of them trying shut down debate on Bosnia is most ironic. It was not they that used the power of the state to silence opponents. They themselves were silenced by those powers for daring to question the official line. It was at this point that they shifted their politics to full-on left libertarianism, and the defence of free speech.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Let's just launch some solar shades. No matter what the cause is, we need less solar energy coming in right now.

Even though the delivery and orbital systems for solar shades are not yet perfected, I believe this is the kind of progressive thinking that should be encouraged.

I always hold great hopes for Che in these discussions, because for me Marxism embodies humanism, which is positive about the potential for humans to change their world for the better. Keeping the scientific debate open increases the chances that innovative solutions can be found to protect humanity from the worst effects of climate change.

I was watching a David Attenborough program last night where he referred to a theory which attempted to explain how our ancestors started walking on two feet. Because of climate change and the resultant flooding, goes the theory, the apes that could stand up and wade did a lot better than those who couldn't.

If true, this teaches us two things. First, humans are intrinsically flexible, adaptable and ingenious critters (given the freedom to express our ingenuity) who have a history of doing remarkable things to survive natural disasters. Secondly, it reminds us that climate change can and does happen without human intervention, and whatever the causes of the current situation, it would be foolish to allow the fact to be forgotten.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by notyoueither

One of these days there is going to be very thick ice covering the plains of North America that today feed a large part of the world's population. At the same time most of Europe and northern Asia will get a similar treatment. Lots of people will die.

There's your cliff. Try to avoid it by not driving.

NYE,

You mean we should absolutely forgoe any industrialization and modernization. A return back to the stone age as it were. Wow thats a novel concept. Why who would likewise have an allied agenda with this approach? But remind me again its only the myrmidons of big oil who are partisan right?