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    I'm probably a moron for asking this, but do they celebrate halloween in europe?
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    Ancient Origins

    Halloween's origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in).


    The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom, and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31, they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.

    To commemorate the event, Druids built huge sacred bonfires, where the people gathered to burn crops and animals as sacrifices to the Celtic deities.

    During the celebration, the Celts wore costumes, typically consisting of animal heads and skins, and attempted to tell each other's fortunes. When the celebration was over, they re-lit their hearth fires, which they had extinguished earlier that evening, from the sacred bonfire to help protect them during the coming winter.

    By A.D. 43, Romans had conquered the majority of Celtic territory. In the course of the four hundred years that they ruled the Celtic lands, two festivals of Roman origin were combined with the traditional Celtic celebration of Samhain.

    The first was Feralia, a day in late October when the Romans traditionally commemorated the passing of the dead. The second was a day to honor Pomona, the Roman goddess of fruit and trees. The symbol of Pomona is the apple and the incorporation of this celebration into Samhain probably explains the tradition of "bobbing" for apples that is practiced today on Halloween.

    By the 800s, the influence of Christianity had spread into Celtic lands. In the seventh century, Pope Boniface IV designated November 1 All Saints' Day, a time to honor saints and martyrs. It is widely believed today that the pope was attempting to replace the Celtic festival of the dead with a related, but church-sanctioned holiday. The celebration was also called All-hallows or All-hallowmas (from Middle English Alholowmesse meaning All Saints' Day) and the night before it, the night of Samhain, began to be called All-hallows Eve and, eventually, Halloween. Even later, in A.D. 1000, the church would make November 2 All Souls' Day, a day to honor the dead. It was celebrated similarly to Samhain, with big bonfires, parades, and dressing up in costumes as saints, angels, and devils. Together, the three celebrations, the eve of All Saints', All Saints', and All Souls', were called Hallowmas.
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    • #3
      Yes, Kaak, but it's on Sept. 30th... Run out and get your costume now!!!!!!!
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        In France, hardly. There do be a few kids who try to extort my sweets but I won't let them in.
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        • #5
          Spoken like the Frenchmen we've all come to admire and respect.

          Most parents are taking their children to school, or other, functions. At least here they are.
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          • #6
            Actually, when I left Germany in 1995, Halloween was actually starting to catch on with the locals...of course, I was then stationed in Kaiserslautern - which has a high population of U.S. servicemen/women - so it might have been an isolated situation...
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            • #7
              those are lame. In response to Slowws post.

              I remember when I was a kid they had a big scare one year about men putting razors and pins in the candy. So one year I ended up doing some school function. Lame.

              Cool kids risk getting run over by a car, kidnapped, or poisoned by some lunatic.

              I never went with my parents (it didn't help I had irresponsible parents). never wore reflective clothing (defeats the purpose of a costume), or did anything safe. And I turned out okay.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dis
                I never went with my parents (it didn't help I had irresponsible parents). never wore reflective clothing (defeats the purpose of a costume), or did anything safe. And I turned out okay.
                At least you are okay so far Dis.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kaak
                  I'm probably a moron for asking this, but do they celebrate halloween in europe?
                  Can't speak for other Euro countries - in Germany "not officially" )like x-mas or so), but it became more popular in recent years and will probably continue to do so, although partly because of media hype and due to the fact it means good business.
                  Blah

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                  • #10
                    Samhain (pronounced sow-in)
                    THEY!!111 OMG WTF LOL LET DA NOMADS AND TEH S3D3NTARY PEOPLA BOTH MAEK BITER AXP3REINCES
                    AND TEH GRAAT SINS OF THERE [DOCTRINAL] INOVATIONS BQU3ATH3D SMAL
                    AND!!1!11!!! LOL JUST IN CAES A DISPUTANT CALS U 2 DISPUT3 ABOUT THEYRE CLAMES
                    DO NOT THAN DISPUT3 ON THEM 3XCAPT BY WAY OF AN 3XTARNAL DISPUTA!!!!11!! WTF

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                    • #11
                      ahhh yes, soon the whole world will be americanized.

                      Yes I know the origins of halloween. But seriously, it was the americans who turned it into what it is.

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, evil cultural imperialism it is!

                        Blah

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                        • #13
                          I have never dressed up or did anything for halloween.

                          A few times at parties I wore an Hawaii shirt and claimed I was dressed up.. so I should I say I never did any fancy dress up.

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                          • #14
                            hawaii shirt.

                            as an adult I have never dressed up. But then again, no one ever invites me to parties.

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                            • #15
                              My favorite adult Halloween costume:


                              I had the chicken hat. So I painted my face white, and wore a white shirt and told everyone I got laid for Halloween.

                              The following year I wore a Kiss t-shirt (ya know the band) and a french beret, and went as a French Kiss.
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