One Step Closer to Tyranny

[SlowwHand]

According to our esteemed law makers, yes you can.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I think I'd rather prefer our "esteemed law makers" to leave the country .

[SlowwHand]

Ditto. Vote Kinky.

[Victor Galis]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
I think I'd rather prefer our "esteemed law makers" to leave the country .

I suggest that the manned space exploration programs be massively expanded.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Kinky

[mrmitchell]

No. Bad Mike Ross.

THIS close to going on notice, young Representative...

Fortunately our two Senators are better.

[Nubclear]

It's so surprising how America, supposedly a liberty-loving nation, seems to collectively yawn whenever someone points out how its politicians oppose the (again supposed) values of the American democracy.

Oh well

[SlowwHand]

At least we have the right to disagree.

[Victor Galis]

For now

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
At least we have the right to disagree.

I would think that if you valued rights, you would be harshly condeming this bill and those who voted in favour of it. But I suspect that the general nonopposition that many present is due more to the fact that they enjoy the idea of having rights, but shun the idea of having to defend those rights.

[SlowwHand]

Assume what you'd like.

[Berzerker]

for those not familiar with tradition Adventist thought

It is that governments of the world (with the US leading the way) will turn against their citizens, in particular against their citizens freedom of conscience. This will cause/be during a terrible period for people, and there will be a lot of suffering. Then Christ will have to step in, and end it, with the end of the world.

and there will be famine, and wars, and rumors of wars...and earthquakes and... more generic "prophecies"

This bill doesn't distinguish between citizens and non-citizens.

Suspension of habeus corpus and due process for us? I find that hard to believe, thats even more power than Bush was employing (except for Padilla).

It gives the executive the power to decide what legally meets the definition of torture. It gives the executive broad authority to decide who is a terrorist or supporter of terrorist.

Well c'mon, we are at war... Are we going to run detainees thru the court system to determine if they're enemy soldiers? When have we done that?

[Flip McWho]

This is about as exciting as NZ politics gets:

Helen Clark (current PM):
Don Brash is a cancerous and corrisive person in NZ politics.

Don Brash (opposition leader):
Shup up you corrupt wife of a gay man.

[SlowwHand]

There will always be wars and rumors of war. And there will.

[Victor Galis]

Well c'mon, we are at war... Are we going to run detainees thru the court system to determine if they're enemy soldiers? When have we done that?

With whom are we at war? You can not declare war on an idea and treat it like a real war?