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[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Aivo½so
Actually Spec and possibly Kuci (?) are themselves proponents of a philosophy called Positivism.

I don't give a damn, I just don't have a very high opinion of [the value of] modern philosophy.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Have we ever needed you? Thanks for being clueless nevertheless.

Computer scientists?

I'll just note that this is an Internet forum.

[Meticulous Man]

Originally posted by VJ

strawman

sigh

How can it be a strawman argument when it's not an argument at all but a question?!!

[Kuciwalker]

Or wait, fakeboris, were you talking about mathematicians? I don't think they're much more useful than computer scientists, really.

[Spec]

Originally posted by BeBro


So everyone having another field of study and purpose than finding a cure for cancer is not a scientist?

Nevermind, you're an idiot. Or, you're just trolling...

Spec.

[RGBVideo]

So in other words, you don't want to consider anything that goes against something you learned at some time

no

you don't

i think you already displayed that when i gave ya link which i asked you to read if you disagreed

and you answered before obviously even reading the link (unless you read 20 words a second) with a "You don't know what you're talking about."

funnily enough, i was fooled of this arrogant attitude, thinking it might've possibly been based on >6 hours of dedicated personal research of the definition itself for a while, your interest being history and all

now that you've demonstrated your cluelessness with the same form of strawman which aivo was thinking about when he wrote his message, your true nature is revealed to me

you made me sad i already said there's nothing more to say meaning that i don't have any rational argument for you anymore, now i'll have to confess that i'm going to leave this thread and thus stop reading it after this post. i have to avoid sad situations according to my doctor's orders

[Spec]

Originally posted by Jon Miller


I was thinking more BreBro.

JM

That's what I thought.

Lord****a.

Spec.

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Kuciwalker
Or wait, fakeboris, were you talking about mathematicians? I don't think they're much more useful than computer scientists, really.

?

[BeBMan]

VJ, actually I quoted and answered the post before, you know, the one with all the hippies and orwell stuff. My reply was on the same level

[Spec]

VJ has the exact same point of view as me, only in better words. I lack the skills to explain myself that well in english...

Guess I need to study some english science...

Spec.

[Meticulous Man]

Originally posted by VJ

no

you don't

i think you already displayed that when i gave ya link which i asked you to read if you disagreed

and you answered before obviously even reading the link (unless you read 20 words a second) with a "You don't know what you're talking about."

funnily enough, i was fooled of this arrogant attitude, thinking it might've possibly been based on >6 hours of dedicated personal research of the definition itself for a while, your interest being history and all

now that you've demonstrated your cluelessness with the same form of strawman which aivo was thinking about when he wrote his message, your true nature is revealed to me

you made me sad i already said there's nothing more to say meaning that i don't have any rational argument for you anymore, now i'll have to confess that i'm going to leave this thread and thus stop reading it after this post. i have to avoid sad situations according to my doctor's orders

Okaaay... In case you read this, VJ, maybe you should step outside the boundaries of natural science for once and take a look at the psychological concept of projection. Just a hint...

[Jon Miller]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Science is based on empirical realism, positivism, and stuff like that. These are metaphysical conceptions issued from philosophy. Anyone who ignores that has nothing to say in this thread.

Just because Science developed from philosophy doesn't mean that philosophy=science.

JM

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
Just because Science developed from philosophy doesn't mean that philosophy=science.

Philosophy isn't science, but science is philosophy, in that it's a rational pursuit of knowledge (Spec, that's what I mean by "natural philosophy").

By "philosophy" I don't mean the hippie PoMo BS.

[BeBMan]

Well, if it makes you guys sleep better I admit that philosophy=science was a bit of a troll. Thx for biting though.

However, I am well aware that things aren't so clear-cut as some want to present them here - there are several ways to describe/define philosophy, some call it even meta-science. Also, in several other fields the debate about the scientific or non-scientific status is going on for ages, and by no means decided (history for example). And VJ seems to be right in one point - in the Anglo-American world they seem to favorize a more "classic" view on science than maybe in Europe. However, that in itself doesn't say anything at all if this is the only possible view.

If you like these descriptions/debates or not or agree with them or not is another question, but simply to trash them because they go against the traditional wisdom is rather dogma than science.

[LordShiva]

Originally posted by Spec
Lord****a.

Good one