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    This riveting documentary explores Kids on Fire, a summer camp in Devils Lake, N.D., that grooms children to be soldiers in "God's army."


    Children’s Boot Camp for the Culture Wars

    By STEPHEN HOLDEN
    Published: September 22, 2006

    “Extreme liberals who look at this should be quaking in their boots,” declares Pastor Becky Fischer with jovial satisfaction in the riveting documentary “Jesus Camp.” Ms. Fischer, an evangelical Christian, helps run Kids on Fire, a summer camp in Devils Lake, N.D., that grooms children to be soldiers in “God’s army.”
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    A mountainous woman of indefatigable good cheer, Ms. Fischer makes no bones about her expectation that the growing evangelical movement in the United States will one day end the constitutional ban separating church and state. And as the movie explores her highly effective methods of mobilizing God’s army, that expectation seems reasonable.

    Ms. Fischer understands full well that the indoctrination of children when they are most impressionable (under 13 and preferably between 7 and 9) with evangelical dogma is the key to the movement’s future growth, and she compares Kids on Fire to militant Palestinian training camps in the Middle East that instill an aggressive Islamist fundamentalism. The term war, as in culture war, is repeatedly invoked to describe the fighting spirit of a movement already embraced by 30 million Americans, mostly in the heartland.

    At Kids on Fire we see children in camouflage and face paint practicing war dances with wooden swords and making straight-armed salutes to a soundtrack of Christian heavy metal. We see them weeping and speaking in tongues as they are seized by the Holy Spirit. And we see them in Washington at an anti-abortion demonstration.

    Filmed during the Senate confirmation hearings of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., the movie visits a church at which the congregation prays in front of a life-size cardboard cutout of President Bush. Justice Alito’s eventual approval is hailed as another step forward in the movement’s eventual goal of outlawing abortion, the No. 1 issue on its agenda.

    “Jesus Camp” is the second film by the documentary team of Heidi Ewing and Rachel Grady to explore the molding of young minds. The first, “The Boys of Baraka,” followed a group of “at-risk” African-American boys from a decaying Baltimore middle school to an austere wilderness school in rural Kenya. Removed from a toxic urban environment, they flourish, until tribal conflict in the region forces the school to suspend operation.

    The majority of the children in “Jesus Camp” are home-schooled by evangelical parents who teach them creationism and dismiss science. Handsome 12-year-old Levi, who wears his hair in a mullet, is being groomed as a future evangelical preacher. Already exuding star quality, he strides through a group of children, waving his arms and mouthing dogma about how his generation is so important.

    Pretty 10-year-old Tory speaks earnestly of dancing “for God” and not “for the flesh.” Nine-year-old Rachael is already an evangelical recruiter who fearlessly approaches adult strangers.

    Ms. Fischer speaks of “dead churches” (traditional Protestant churches in which the congregations sit passively and listen to a sermon) and declares these are places that Jesus doesn’t visit. In evangelical churches where people jump, shout, weep and speak in tongues, she contends, the spirit is present.

    The great unanswered question is what will happen to these poised, attractive children when their hormones kick in and they venture beyond their sheltered home and church environments.

    “Jesus Camp” includes one articulate and alarmed dissenting voice: Mike Papantonio, a talk show personality for Air America. A self-professed Christian of the dead church variety, he engages in a pointed but friendly debate with Ms. Fischer when she calls in to his show. But the only moment of real tension occurs during a side trip to a megachurch in Colorado Springs where the preacher Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals (and a Bush friend), turns to address the camera in a tone of suspicion and hostility. It is the movie’s only glimpse of the evangelical movement’s ugly, vindictive side.

    “Jesus Camp” doesn’t pretend to be a comprehensive survey of the charismatic-evangelical phenomenon. It offers no history or sociology and only scattered statistics about its growth. It analyzes the political agenda only glancingly, centering on abortion but not on homosexuality or other items. Because it focuses on the education of children, Ms. Fischer speaks of the evils of Harry Potter. But there is no analysis of Biblical teaching nor mention of “end times” or the rapture.

    Who would deny that the movement’s surging vitality is partly a response to the steady coarsening of mass culture, in which the dominant values are commercial and the worldview is Darwinian in its amorality? Spread globally by television, the least-common-denominator brand of “secular humanism” — the evangelicals’ perceived enemy — is indeed repugnant.

    It wasn’t so long ago that another puritanical youth army, Mao Zedong’s Red Guards, turned the world’s most populous country inside out. Nowadays the possibility of a right-wing Christian American version of what happened in China no longer seems entirely far-fetched.


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    Been mentioned on 'poly before. I think the thread was titled "Christians can brainwash kids too" or some such.

    EDIT: Oh, and FWIW, the Antiochian Orthodox Church is currently concentrating a good deal on the Charismatic movement. We've gained plenty of converts from them in the past, since we have a lot of the zeal they do plus we have historical roots. I've heard stories of Pentecostal preachers with strong Orthodox sympathies who are just afraid to "come out of the closet," so to speak. It's a bit of an impasse at this point because our presence in the USA is still limited (plus we're divided), but at least we can say we're working on it...
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    • #3
      Crazy stuff.
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      • #4
        Interestingly enough, I have recently been making up the beginings of one of those post-apocalyptic stories where the US breaks up into many little pieces all in some sort of civil war, and the story revolves around fundies trying to invade all the other states and impose their theocratic views
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        • #5
          Nah. These people have no structure to speak of. They're very good at fighting The Establishment, but if they ever won and were forced to become The Establishment themselves, they'd collapse or fragment.
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          • #6
            Or form a Jiha... er... crusading army bent on world domination!
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            • #7
              Libruls, darkies, dead church Christians, queers and just about everybody else better get some time in on the firing range.
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              • #8
                Not the ones mentioned in the article. They have no sense of structure to organize around; their identity is formed entirely in opposition to their supposed enemies'.

                Now, there ARE much more dangerous ones out there, or so I've heard. The theonomists/dominionists. The ones who actually want to impose rule by OT law and aren't afraid to use subterfuge or dirty tricks to do it. I don't know much about them, but they sound scary from what I've been able to find.

                EDIT: Hmm, this film has been mentioned on Talk2action though...man, I wish it were possible to keep straight where these whackjob movements begin and end!
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                • #9
                  Whoohoo! Christian Heavymetal! "Burn in Heaven! Burn in Heaven!"
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaShi
                    Whoohoo! Christian Heavymetal! "Burn in Heaven! Burn in Heaven!"
                    You were clearly influenced by Yoko Ono´s hit single "hell in paradise"
                    I need a foot massage

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Elok
                      Not the ones mentioned in the article. They have no sense of structure to organize around; their identity is formed entirely in opposition to their supposed enemies'.

                      Now, there ARE much more dangerous ones out there, or so I've heard. The theonomists/dominionists. The ones who actually want to impose rule by OT law
                      I'll wager you a priests second tithe, and five treif chickens, they dont know the first thing about the complexities in actually applying "old testament" law (assuming you didnt mean off topic law)
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                      • #12
                        it is nice to know that scaremongering about muslims is balance by scaremongering about Christian fundies though.
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                        • #13
                          '"Jesus Camp” doesn’t pretend to be a comprehensive survey of the charismatic-evangelical phenomenon. It offers no history or sociology and only scattered statistics about its growth. '


                          I cant say Im surprised.
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                          • #14
                            "It wasn’t so long ago that another puritanical youth army, Mao Zedong’s Red Guards, turned the world’s most populous country inside out. Nowadays the possibility of a right-wing Christian American version of what happened in China no longer seems entirely far-fetched. "

                            Yeah, cause being willing to proselytize people is the same as being willing send them to forced labor. We see how thats worked out with the Mormons and Chabad Jews. I dont like fundie missionaries, but i have the sense to tell the diff between them and someone who wants to send me to a labor camp.

                            and cause thinking churches you dont like are empty and dying means you want to ban them. Hell, I know at least one Reconstructionist Jew (think funky Unitarians with more Hebrew, "eco-kashrut" that sort of thing) tell me that Reform Judaism is "spiritually bankrupt". Religious triumphalism (my group is thriving, yours is dying) is not uncommon, and not necessarily associated with intolerance.
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                            • #15
                              Should we not be scaremongering about Christian fundies?

                              Also, I look forward to the day that these Evangelicals take over the country.

                              By that time, I hope to be in a different country, one more civilized, one unafraid of scientific progress and technological advancement.
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