Bolivia

[Hueij]

F**k Bolivia. They murdered Che. Not our Che though...

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Chilean Presidentâ„¢
We gave Bolivia the chance of having a port in the north of Chile which would have been run under Bolivian administration. They could use it to export directly their products without even paying Chilean taxes or doing anything that could bring Chile any profit from their trade opperations. The only thing Chile isn't going to negotiate is the fact of giving Bolivia sovereignity over the port... that's just not going to happen.

A good deal if you ask me

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Chilean Presidentâ„¢
We gave Bolivia the chance of having a port in the north of Chile which would have been run under Bolivian administration. They could use it to export directly their products without even paying Chilean taxes or doing anything that could bring Chile any profit from their trade opperations. The only thing Chile isn't going to negotiate is the fact of giving Bolivia sovereignity over the port... that's just not going to happen.

Obviously this was rejected by the several Bolivian administrations that have run the country in the last decade.

When President Lagos left office one of the things he regreted the most was the status quo in the relations between both nations. But it's quite hard to negotiate with a country that have 5 different presidents in 6 years or so.

You should, however, mention the backstory about how Bolivia "lost" (perhaps "stolen" would be a better word) its sea access in the 1879 war by Chile's economic ambitions in the disputed region and how any excuse was a valid pretext for war. It has always struck me how much that war parallels the US-Mexico war of 1846.

I definitely agree that Bolivia should find other excuses to explain its underdevelopment, ultimately there are many landlocked countries (Switzerland comes to mind) which are not backwards. The ultimate blame for this is the fact that Bolivia has not done enough with what it has (and it has plently, probably one of the most resource-rich nations in the hemisphere) than b*tch about what they lost.

But that said, their complaint is legitimate because the fact is that they were screwed over... big time.

[Chilean Presidentâ„¢]

A war is a war and the consequences are obviously not the best for the side that loses it.

In this case Bolivia pushed us to war when they annuled the economic treaty of 1874 regarding the explotation of mineral resources in Bolivian territory by Chilean capitals. The treaty included the design of the new frontier and as Bolivia dissmised it, we took control of the city port of Antofagasta and the war began.


... ok, ok... perhaps that's only the official reason, the excuse, for fighting a war clearly with the purpose of taking their resources, but hey, who have not done the same in Civ

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Hueij
F**k Bolivia. They murdered Che. Not our Che though...

I give Bolivia wide bearth.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Chilean Presidentâ„¢
A war is a war and the consequences are obviously not the best for the side that loses it.

In this case Bolivia pushed us to war when they annuled the economic treaty of 1874 regarding the explotation of mineral resources in Bolivian territory by Chilean capitals. The treaty included the design of the new frontier and as Bolivia dissmised it, we took control of the city port of Antofagasta and the war began.

... ok, ok... perhaps that's only the official reason, the excuse, for fighting a war clearly with the purpose of taking their resources, but hey, who have not done the same in Civ

It's easy for the victors to shove their actions under the rug and give whatever justification for it. The losers, on the other hand, never forget.

[Last Conformist]

Mexico seems to've quite successfully forgotten 1846.

As for landlockedness, Switzerland nonewithstanding, areas close to the oceans are generally more prosperous than inland regions. Take a look at one of those maps that colour areas after their GDP per capita.

[Blaupanzer]

Losers not forgetting is one thing. Hurting yourself just to show the other guy how well you remember is something else.

Bolivia has been run by a racist and greedy minority who took their profit and invested it overseas for nearly 2 centuries. That is why Che went there, they are such an obvious candidate for wildly vicious revolt. However, Morales seems to be an intelligent, positive man with a remarkable sense of national pride. He also has a good sense of humor. He may well be precisely what Bolivia needs to break the chain of self-defeating economics. All of this most likely means he will be assassinated. The Right never tolerates its opposition when it is successful. Hopefully, the US will not assist in this round of perfidies to South American leaders, but the US does tend to have an unnatural fear of Latin American Socialists.

[Heresson]

Bolivia should be given access to the sea.
But some chilean province should be left on th other side of this Bolivian corridor, just for fun.

[Barnabas]

What would be funny, would be Chile giving Arica and a corridor to it to Bolivia, it would mean that Chile no longer has a fronteer with Peru (the main war hypothesis for chile), and that Bolivia would now own the territory Peru lost to Chile in the war.

[Barnabas]

You Poles have experience with corridors, dont you? :P

[Whoha]

Bolivia should build Gerald Bull's Super Gun and launch goods into orbit(perhaps decaying with reentry provisions) to be collected by prospective buyers

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Brachy-Pride
You Poles have experience with corridors, dont you? :P

no. Our "corridor" was where polish state started + one of the provinces that used to belong to Poland for ages and was majorly polish

[Gangerolf]

evil landgrabbing polacks

[Gangerolf]

Originally posted by Gangerolf
evil landgrabbing polacks

i should just put that into my sig.

damn polaks