The Denial Industry

[Cort Haus]

George Monbiot is himself attacking a messenger. Didn't we have exactly the same discussion around Al Gore a while back?

Mass-circulation newspapers, political parties and sensation-seeking TV documentaries have been hammering the green pov into our homes non-stop for years. It's tiresome when radical greens keep claiming to be the 'little guy', when it's their ideas that get endlessly circulated but rarely scrutinised.

[Proteus_MST]

Despite the things you say the green POV doesn´t seem to have any widespread influence within the american government (outside of california at least)
(in contrast to its influence within the government of european countries)

Maybe the ecological movement has more influence on european media than on american.

[Cort Haus]

The Eco-movement has a huge influence over here. It pervades every aspect of our lives. Parties fall over themselves to offer 'green' policies. The LibDems, almost the only party I can bring myself to vote for, is promising a green tax. Great.

We are harrangued constantly about our wicked, immoral, material lifestyles, made to feel guilty about switching on a light, turning on a tap, throwing away a foodwrapper, or getting in our car.

Instead of viewing our humanity as a progressive force, building a better world for future generations, humanity is depicted as a destroyer of the world, rampaging mercilessly over poor innocent mother nature.

One local authority tried to fine a woman thousands of pounds for allegedly putting the wrong sort of waste in a recycle bin. They had no proof for their allegation, the 'wrong rubbish' could have been put there by anyone, but they persisted in trying to damage this woman's livelihood anyway.

And George Monbiot, with his regular rants in the Guardian is at the epicentre of the whole thing.

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Cort Haus

One local authority tried to fine a woman thousands of pounds for allegedly putting the wrong sort of waste in a recycle bin. They had no proof for their allegation, the 'wrong rubbish' could have been put there by anyone, but they persisted in trying to damage this woman's livelihood anyway.

I agree that this is somehow extreme.
In germany we just had garbage collectors threaten that they wouldn´t empty the recycling bins if they found something that doesn´t belong there (but never heard of the casen where they really did so).
Sounds like our government still has to learn al lot about how to treat criminals that put garbage into the wrong garbage bin

[Odin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
The Eco-movement has a huge influence over here. It pervades every aspect of our lives. Parties fall over themselves to offer 'green' policies. The LibDems, almost the only party I can bring myself to vote for, is promising a green tax. Great.

We are harrangued constantly about our wicked, immoral, material lifestyles, made to feel guilty about switching on a light, turning on a tap, throwing away a foodwrapper, or getting in our car.

Instead of viewing our humanity as a progressive force, building a better world for future generations, humanity is depicted as a destroyer of the world, rampaging mercilessly over poor innocent mother nature.

One local authority tried to fine a woman thousands of pounds for allegedly putting the wrong sort of waste in a recycle bin. They had no proof for their allegation, the 'wrong rubbish' could have been put there by anyone, but they persisted in trying to damage this woman's livelihood anyway.

And George Monbiot, with his regular rants in the Guardian is at the epicentre of the whole thing.

I don't think luddite anarcho-primitivist nucleophobic nuts hijacking the enviromentalist movement has anything to do with the FACT of global warming, unless you are one of those fools who beleive the right-wing propaganda that GW is some conspiracy created by the nuts to distroy the world economy.

[Solly]

"the FACT of global warming"

Warming over the past couple of decades? Past few centuries? Or as predicted by the useless General Circulation Models?

[Whaleboy]

Still no response from Cheg. Perhaps ke knows The Science doesn't stand up to statistical scrutiny?

Links?

[Solly]

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=827 for a random one.

[Solly]

http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/mcin...trick.2003.pdf for an example paper.

[Solly]

Response Whaleboy?

[Whaleboy]

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/recons.html

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/data.html

http://www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/trc.html

http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/136.pdf

http://energycommerce.house.gov/108/home/07142006_Wegman_Report.pdf

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/mann_99.html

[Odin]

I bet PA will dig up some made up crap by s Big Oil lackey that "proves" the stuff posted by Wjaleboy "wrong."

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Odin
I bet PA will dig up some made up crap by s Big Oil lackey that "proves" the stuff posted by Wjaleboy "wrong."

I'm pretty sure that PA isn't going to that.

[RGBVideo]

if whaleboy posted it, it's probably wrong

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
The Eco-movement has a huge influence over here. It pervades every aspect of our lives. Parties fall over themselves to offer 'green' policies. The LibDems, almost the only party I can bring myself to vote for, is promising a green tax. Great.

To replace the 50% tax bracket for top rate income earners. It's changing a target of taxation hikes because its trying to get more appeal amongst Tory swaying voters who wouldn't want to vote Labour. The green angle was chosen as its the flavour of the day amongst the Tory heads.