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    Sep 13, 2006 — By Alister Doyle, Environment Correspondent

    OSLO (Reuters) - The sun's energy output has barely varied over the past 1,000 years, raising chances that global warming has human rather than celestial causes, a study showed on Wednesday.

    Researchers from Germany, Switzerland and the United States found that the sun's brightness varied by only 0.07 percent over 11-year sunspot cycles, far too little to account for the rise in temperatures since the Industrial Revolution.

    "Our results imply that over the past century climate change due to human influences must far outweigh the effects of changes in the sun's brightness," said Tom Wigley of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research.

    Most experts say emissions of greenhouse gases, mainly from burning fossil fuels in power plants, factories and cars, are the main cause of a 0.6 Celsius (1.1 F) rise in temperatures over the past century.

    A dwindling group of scientists says that the dominant cause of warming is a natural variation in the climate system, or a gradual rise in the sun's energy output.

    "The solar contribution to warming over the past 30 years is negligible," the researchers wrote in the journal Nature of evidence about the sun from satellite observations since 1978.

    They also found little sign of solar warming or cooling when they checked telescope observations of sunspots against temperature records going back to the 17th century.

    They then checked more ancient evidence of rare isotopes and temperatures trapped in sea sediments and Greenland and Antarctic ice and also found no dramatic shifts in solar energy output for at least the past millennium.

    SUN NOT GUILTY

    "This basically rules out the sun as the cause of global warming," Henk Spruit, a co-author of the report from the Max Planck Institute in Germany, told Reuters.

    Many scientists say greenhouse gases might push up world temperatures by perhaps another 3 Celsius by 2100, causing more droughts, floods, disease and rising global sea levels.

    Spruit said a "Little Ice Age" around the 17th century, when London's Thames River froze, seemed limited mainly to western Europe and so was not a planet-wide cooling that might have implied a dimmer sun.

    And global Ice Ages, like the last one which ended about 10,000 years ago, seem linked to cyclical shifts in the earth's orbit around the sun rather than to changes in solar output.

    "Overall, we can find no evidence for solar luminosity variations of sufficient amplitude to drive significant climate variations on centennial, millennial or even million-year timescales," the report said.

    Solar activity is now around a low on the 11-year cycle after a 2000 peak, when bright spots called faculae emit more heat and outweigh the heat-plugging effect of dark sunspots. Both faculae and dark sunspots are most common at the peaks.

    Still, the report also said there could be other, more subtle solar effects on the climate, such as from cosmic rays or ultraviolet radiation. It said they would be hard to detect.

    /me hears Berz's head explode.

  • #2
    Umm, if the Little Ice Age was some limited thing, that wasn't caused by the sun or by man.. couldn't what is going on now be a limited thing that isn't caused by the sun or man?

    It just seems like these people have an agenda. That is the probably that I see with all climatalogists.

    JM
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    • #3
      You're obsessed Odin, other studies claimed solar activity did decrease. Now a study says it didn't, why address this to me? Solar activity is one of many factors, so it aint as big a factor in recent history as scientists thought. Whooped-de-do...

      Now go back and deal with the ass-kicking you're getting in PA's hurricane thread.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jon Miller
        Umm, if the Little Ice Age was some limited thing, that wasn't caused by the sun or by man.. couldn't what is going on now be a limited thing that isn't caused by the sun or man?

        It just seems like these people have an agenda. That is the probably that I see with all climatalogists.

        JM

        Recent paleoclimatological research has shown that the Little Ice Age was mostly a North Atlantic phenomenon, not a global one

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Berzerker

          Now go back and deal with the ass-kicking you're getting in PA's hurricane thread.
          Che and I pwned you, 'nuff said.

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          • #6
            the research also says volcanic activity was 5 x time higher than modern times, that = dimmer sun.

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            • #7
              Che and I pwned you, 'nuff said.
              chegitz said he was confused by LATITUDINAL TEMPERATURE GRADIENT and disappeared, and you believe contrasts in temperature have nothing to do with hurricanes. Naturally you then posted an article that said temperature contrasts are crucial to hurricanes, self-pwnage at its best.

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              • #8
                Disappeared? No, I went to work and then spent the next day snuggling with my wife. See, I don't need to check in here everyday due to two things: one, Wilma knocked out my internet for roughly two months, so I broke the addiction to Poly, and two, I subsituted an addition to a Spammy place where Comrade Tassidar has recently returned. Now I know how the Filipinos felt when McArthur came back.

                Anyway, scientists released a study today noting that winter ice cover in the Arctic is decreasing.
                Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                • #9
                  you didn't return to the thread, I'd call that disappearing. Why you disappeared is kiinda irrelevant

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