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    The Paistani government has announced a "peace deal" with the tribal leaders in the northern tribal areas which will see the Pakistani military withdraw from the region in exchange for the tribes agreeing to stop cross border attacks into Afghanistan and to expell the foreign militants.

    First of all even if they wanted to I doubt the tribal chiefs could stop the attacks and second of all most of the militants are locals so it isn't like expelling the 0.01% who are foreigners would help much even if the foreigners were expelled (which we all know they won't be).


    Pakistan 'Taleban' in peace deal
    Taleban in Pakistan
    The agreement aims to end cross-border attacks
    Pakistan has signed a deal with pro-Taleban militants on the Afghan border aimed at ending years of unrest.

    The North Waziristan accord calls on tribesmen to expel foreign militants and end cross-border attacks in return for a reduced military presence.

    Tens of thousands of Pakistani troops are fighting foreign Islamic militants and their local supporters in the country's restive tribal belt.

    Hundreds of people have been killed in violence in North Waziristan this year.


    Except for trade, people will not be allowed to go to Afghanistan to launch attacks
    Local MP Haji Nek Zaman

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    The BBC's Barbara Plett in Islamabad says some observers believe the deal offers the government an exit from a military strategy that has largely failed.

    Dozens of soldiers have been killed in North Waziristan over the past year and local support for the Taleban seems to have increased rather than decreased, she says.

    Meanwhile, a major offensive by Nato-led forces in the Panjwayi district in the southern Afghan province of Kandahar is pushing Taleban fighters into a corner, Nato officials say.

    Tuesday saw more artillery barrages and air strikes, although the fighting is less intensive than over the weekend when Nato says 200 militants were killed - a figure disputed by the Taleban, who say many of the casualties were civilians.

    Nato Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer is in Afghanistan to assess progress in the alliance's mission to stabilise the south, and will meet Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Wednesday.

    'Strategy failed'

    The agreement brokered by a grand council (jirga) of tribal elders in North Waziristan is the first of its kind since Pakistani troops went after Taleban and al-Qaeda elements on the Afghan border.


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    Taleban stronghold

    Senior army officers and militants hugged and congratulated each other after signing the agreement at a college football ground in Miranshah, the main town in the North Waziristan region.

    Details of the deal signed by the two sides were given in a brief speech by local MP Haji Nek Zaman, a member of the council of elders which was authorised to negotiate on behalf of the Pakistani government.

    Under the accord, the Pakistani military promises to end major operations in the area.

    It will pull most of its soldiers back to military camps, but will still operate border check-points.

    Over the summer the military met other conditions, releasing a number of tribesmen in an apparent goodwill gesture to the militants and withdrawing soldiers from new check-posts.

    Tribal elders at a meeting in Miranshah
    Tribal elders held weeks of consultations

    Local Taleban supporters, in turn, have pledged not to harbour foreign militants, launch cross-border raids or attack Pakistani government troops or facilities.

    Observers say meeting these conditions could be difficult, as the Taleban has support on both sides of the Pakistan-Afghan border.

    The agreement comes ahead of a visit by President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan to Afghanistan which is expected to take place later this week.

    Relations between Kabul and Islamabad have been strained in recent months because of differences in tackling what both refer to as cross-border terrorism.
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    Is "Taleban" just the alternate British spelling for Taliban, or is this some sort of cheap rip-off organization with one letter different for legal purposes? Or have they outlawed telling stories now?
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    • #3
      I think it is the British spelling. They never could spell properly in English.
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      • #4
        Of course this won't work

        The Taliban started in Pakistan. This is about as credible as having Syria be in charge of disarming Hezbollah.
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        • #5
          OMFG THIS MEANS THE TRIBES WILL EXPELL TEH UBL

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          • #6
            Re: Of course this won't work

            Originally posted by pchang
            This is about as credible as having Syria be in charge of disarming Hezbollah.
            indeed. it's simply a poor disguise for the failure of pakistan's military campaign in the area.
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            • #7
              It appears to be capitulation. I don't think that anyone can operate in this region without the local leader's knowledge and acceptance. My fear is that this means northern Pakistan will grow as a Taliban hotbed.

              My overly optimistic hope is that maybe some of these villagers will say that they are sick of getting pulled into other people's wars and may tell anyone wishing to base attacks from their lands to p*** off
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              • #8
                It's already the center of the Taliban. Military force and extreme measures such as population relocation and group punishment would be the only way to stop it but that isn't going to happen. Thus Pakistan has opted for the declare victory and go home route while ignoring that nothing has actually changed.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Flubber
                  My overly optimistic hope is that maybe some of these villagers will say that they are sick of getting pulled into other people's wars and may tell anyone wishing to base attacks from their lands to p*** off
                  These are the *******s who find it perfectly acceptable to kill a woman, and her young child sisters, solely on an allegation from the woman's husband that she committed adultery. The justification for killing the sisters, even as little girls, is so they won't grow up to do the same thing and "shame" the family. It's there war too, since it's all about Allah's jihadi and the evil kaffiri.
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                  • #10
                    Yep, these people are loony, loony, loony.
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                    • #11
                      If my older sisters cheated on their husband, I would too.
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                      • #12
                        You'd cheat on their husbands too?
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                        • #13
                          I'd try.
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                          • #14
                            So basically the government of Pakistan is giving al-Qaeda its own fiefdom of northern Pakistan? How long do they think it will be before al-Qaeda asks for Karachi too?
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                            • #15
                              Supposedly the Tribal leaders are promising to end their jihad against the infedels and to expel the foreign terrorists and in exchange the Pakistanis are going to withdraw their military from the tribal areas. I just don't see how the tribal leaders could enforce this agreement even if they had the will to do so which they likely do not have.

                              It looks like Musharif is once again making a deal with the Islamic extremists where he leaves them alone and the Islamists agree to stop planting bombs in Pakistani cities and trying to assassinate Musharif. Classic "attack them instead of me" type stuff.

                              With allies like this who needs enemies?
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