There are significant constituents in both parties in the US that don't want immigration stopped. Actually stopping it is the only way you really lose any votes.
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Originally posted by DanS
I don't believe that to be true. Or at least, they would wish the provisions for legal immigration to be very narrow.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Just making things slightly more explicit for our European friend.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
No one wants to stop legal immigration. Well at least no one worth being taken seriously.
I'm no expert on US elites, but here is an example. I follow a few blogs and sites by Ivy league economic professors and the like. I haven't observed a single one that is opposed to immigration.
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Immigration is good for business and bad for the average local worker, because it gives a pool of cheap and obedient labor to the businessmen, that directly competes against the more demanding red-blooded-American workforce.
See Denmark, I bet you they could use cheaper labour in their huge Lego factories, however, they stopped immigration anyway.
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There are significant constituents in both parties in the US that don't want immigration stopped. Actually stopping it is the only way you really lose any votes.
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The Big Business right, the socially left, Big Labor, and assorted Libertarians generally favor as open an immigration policy as possible, favor guest worker programs, and favor some sort of amnesty.
Social conservatives and rank & file union members generally favor clamping down on illegal immigration, oppose amnesty, and generally oppose guest worker programs.
... 10 000 people?
I mean it's fairly obvious which group is bigger by an enormous margin.
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Originally posted by DanS
VL: It's a great contradiction. The country has a strong economy and needs a steady stream of immigrants. Meanwhile, that immigration is unpopular. The gov't is left with the task of squaring that circle.
BTW., the argument that a country needs a steady stream of immigrants to maintain economic growth is far from an established fact, as has been proven by US among others, for it grew even while immigration was reduced.
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The solitary issue I have with immigration into this country is not one of the immigrants themselves but what kind of provisions are made for them (or, in fact, the population as a whole). They need to start addressing the lack of available/affordable property in London, which seems to be quite a hotspot for immigrants. There is a considerable amount of brownfield sites that can be used to resolve this - and so many places that just stand empty and boarded up - you can't help but notice this when moving around London.Speaking of Erith:
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Originally posted by VetLegion
I agree. However, how big is the big business elite that wants cheap labour? It's tiny. How cool is it for world's greatest democracy to listen to a tiny group over wishes of the teeming millions?
See Denmark, I bet you they could use cheaper labour in their huge Lego factories, however, they stopped immigration anyway.
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Can you prove this? What "significant" constituents? I think that they are only significant because they have money and control the media, but they have few votes on their own.
With the dems, there is the hispanic vote. While many hispanics are against illegal immigation, they aren't the majority. The democrats also don't have a very strong hold on this vote, since from a religious stance, many hispanics are more likely to side with the republicans.
You also have many people who believe that illegal immigration is good for America. They believe that the US is not very competitive in the export market due to labor unions and illegal immigration is a way to help turn things around."Yay Apoc!!!!!!!" - bipolarbear
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Originally posted by VetLegion Libertarians + Big Business + others ...
... 10 000 people?
Another important pro-immigration group that I forgot about are the religious groups. The Catholic Church and many Protestant churches side with the pro-immigration movements.I'm about to get aroused from watching the pokemon and that's awesome. - Pekka
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The border between the US and Mexico is freakin' long and much of the terrain rather barren. Short of putting the entire border on war footing it's simply not feasible to stop illegal immigration across this border. Add to that the fact that we're dependent on Mexican oil so we don't want to completely stifle trade with Mexico and you can see that the persistance of illegal immigration isn't really the fault of the parties. If we want to stop illegal immigration from Mexico we need to tackle the root cause, Mexican poverty."I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!
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Originally posted by VetLegion
Libertarians + Big Business + others ...
... 10 000 people?
I mean it's fairly obvious which group is bigger by an enormous margin.
and therefore can afford to influence the opinion of the poeople (for example by election campaigns and the like)
And with just 2 political parties that have any influence, the options for the voters are minimal to change anything (unless they all would vote any of the smaller parties, but as these aren´t supported by the people with the big money (which could be used for election campaigns), the chances of this happening are minimalTamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
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Originally posted by VetLegion
I believe that this is not true, unless you regard your neighbours and fellow voters as unworthy of being taken seriously.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
If we want to stop illegal immigration from Mexico we need to tackle the root cause, Mexican poverty.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio
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