Are hollowpoints illegal?

[Dis]

someone tried to tell me they were. I think they are full of ****. These are hydroshock hollowpoints. Which are a little bit deadlier form.

And a guy at work was trying to give me some Black Talons. I'm pretty sure they are illegal.

Also, do bullets degrade over time? Mine are over 10 years old, should I get rid of them? I live in a dry climate. though I used to live in a wet climate when I got them.

[chequita guevara]

hollow points are illegal, as are teflon coated bullets.

[BlackCat]

Are you sure ? I mean, I'm quite aware that the military isn't allowed to use them, but they should give civilians better protection in cases where they think somebody are threatening them.

[Pekka]

[Dis]

I don't think they are illegal. I bought them in any old gunshop. Granted, this was over 10 years ago.

The gun I bought might be illegal as well, since it has over a 10 round magazine. I bought this gun just before Bill Clinton's assault weapon ban was put into law. I'm not sure if it was grandfathered in. But I do believe weapons bought before then are still legal.

hollowpoints are illegal to use in warfare. Because they are more deadly. But FMJ's are more likely to cause injury and pain (though you could argue dying is worse than pain ).

the theory is, FMJ's tend to pass straight through the body and hit other people. So in police and civilian use, hollowpoints are better, as they are less likely to cause collateral damage.

[SlowwHand]

Hollow points are not illegal.

http://www.cabelas.com/prod-1/0012630214282a.shtml

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Dis
the theory is, FMJ's tend to pass straight through the body and hit other people. So in police and civilian use, hollowpoints are better, as they are less likely to cause collateral damage.

That is one ludicrous theory. What if the shot doesn't hit the villain ? Oups, sorry, didn't intent to kill the innocent bystander, but the bad guy is to blame - he ducked just as I fired. HP ammo are much more dangerous to innocents and are more likely to inflict collateral damage.

Police weapons isn't supposed to kill but disable.

[ajbera]

I think 10 round clips are grandfathered in.

[Grandpa Troll]

I always carried HP's, I used a .38 "HOT LOAD" when .357's were not authorized back in the 1970's.

I used a CCI Super Sphere, 1280 fps, Hollow Point Copper Jacketed

Below is what a Hollow Point Copper Jacket looks like, show here in the .50 range

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
I always carried HP's, I used a .38 "HOT LOAD" when .357's were not authorized back in the 1970's.

I used a CCI Super Sphere, 1280 fps, Hollow Point Copper Jacketed

Below is what a Hollow Point Copper Jacket looks like, show here in the .50 range

No offense, but why do you consider it right to use such against civilians when it's considered inhumane to use such in war ?

[Hueij]

You guys are scary :

[SlowwHand]

Let me answer that, BlackCat. Yes. Actually, I prefer a Winchester Defender 12 ga. shotgun. No worry about going down the street errantly.

"NOTICE. State Law Requires Observance Of All Warning Signs.
WARNING. This Residence Protected By Firearms."

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by BlackCat


No offense, but why do you consider it right to use such against civilians when it's considered inhumane to use such in war ?

You asked and I shall give my version having completed Federal Duty as a Law Man:

Here is the deal with being a Police Officer that not a lot of people appreciate, not a lot of people know what it is like, you are handcuffed and saddled with so many restraints but still expected to handle any suspect, drunk,drugged or crazed. You have to use enough force to stop them but not enough force to do excessive harm.

"Use of Deadly Force" or departmental shooting policies state in most department as authorized when confronted with deadly force or to save the life of another human being.

The Hollow Point is "supposed to" spread on impact, thus slowing "In Theory" to be contained within the body that you shoot.

I have had 4 weapons in my face over my career and it is scary as Hell, including a small .25 automatic.

I am not sure why it is considered "Inhumane" unless larger caliber HP's do such horrendous damage to the muscle and tissue?

As for "Humane" the use of Deadly Force is to help protect others from this persons harm. Most departments have very strick and stringent guidelines as to when and where to use "Deadly Force"

I am all for "Non-Lethal" weapons, such as the "Stun Gun" my son carries on himself, he is a member of the Onslow County Sherriff's Department as well as SWAT. He also carries a .45 caliber sidearm and a UMP .45 Machine gun and a 12 Gauge shotgun. He has been through much training. I think Law Officers need to exhaust all avenues, but when aa suspect, after being ordered to lie prone and extend arms out straight, reaches for something in his car, the law Officer has to make a split second decision what to do, is that a weapon or not and if so, was the suspect going to shoot anyone or not?

Tough being a Lawman, but sometimes a Lawman has to do the dreaded duty of stopping someone, even unto taking his life.


The HP is, in my opinion, a better option for stopping a suspect cold in their tracks, should the use of Deadly Force be required.

Grandpa Troll

USARMY Military Police
Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Let me answer that, BlackCat. Yes. Actually, I prefer a Winchester Defender 12 ga. shotgun. No worry about going down the street errantly.

"NOTICE. State Law Requires Observance Of All Warning Signs.
WARNING. This Residence Protected By Firearms."

I also heard tell a Shotgun removes prints

For real, it doesnt make most Officers "Feel Good" when they have to execute that portion of their duties which require taking a life. However, most all officers will tell you, they have no problem whatsoever taking down a suspect who has crossed the line.

Gramps

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by BlackCat


That is one ludicrous theory. What if the shot doesn't hit the villain ? Oups, sorry, didn't intent to kill the innocent bystander, but the bad guy is to blame - he ducked just as I fired. HP ammo are much more dangerous to innocents and are more likely to inflict collateral damage.

Police weapons isn't supposed to kill but disable.

Sorry, but you are wrong. A gun is considered deadly force, not a disabling force. We are not trained to wound.

OTOH, not using HP in war is actually beneficial in war. Take the M-16 design for instance. The M-16 is not designed to kill, but to wound (thus the small calibur of bullet). The thought of this is that a wounded soldier takes 3 enemy combatants out of the fight. One is the wounded soldier and the two that it takes to carry him off the battlefield. The small calibur passing through someone to hit a second target is something that I never thought about and is another way that the M-16 is an effective weapon in war.