Tories continue the retreat from Thatcherism

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

The full story can be found here-

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1859409,00.html

The short version follows-

David Cameron has stated that the Thatcherite stance on South Africa was a mistake. Margaret Thatcher's take on South Africa can be summed up as follows-

1- The ANC and Nelson Manela were terrorists.

2- Anyone claiming the ANC would ever come to power was "living in cloud-cuckoo land".

3- Economic sanctions against apartheid-era South Africa were wrong.

Cameron has now publicly refuted these points, to the displeasure of a number of old-school Tory grandees such as Bernard Ingham. He has also (partially) refuted the famous Thatcherite maxim "There is no such thing as society".

So is the Nasty Party really turning cuddly, or is it too little and too late?

[VetLegion]

Why did Thatcher support South Africans?

In case of America it made some sort of sense, because SA was useful against Castro's Moscow backed expeditions to Africa and marxist movements in surrounding countries.

But why did Thatcher care?

[Spiffor]

Re: Tories continue the retreat from Thatcherism

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
1- The ANC and Nelson Manela were terrorists.

This is true. They were terrorists by the definition of the word.

[Zoid]

Originally posted by VetLegion
Why did Thatcher support South Africans?

In case of America it made some sort of sense, because SA was useful against Castro's Moscow backed expeditions to Africa and marxist movements in surrounding countries.

But why did Thatcher care?

She didn´t like niggahs and she was a freakin´loonie. She was also best friend with Pinochet.

[Cort Haus]

Apart from being an old-style white supremacist Tory, Thatcher would befriend any hard rightist leader, or in fact anyone making appropriately anti-leftist noises.

She was also an admirer of Tudjman, Vet.

I prefer to think that the struggle of democratic South Africans, rather than international intervention in the shape of sanctions, was the key element in the toppling of the old order.

[Cort Haus]

If Thatcherism is the heritage of the Tory party, it's quite appropriate that they're ditching it, seeing as Labour ditched their heritage long ago. Both parties are trying to be like the other.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Re: Re: Tories continue the retreat from Thatcherism

Originally posted by Spiffor

This is true. They were terrorists by the definition of the word.

By the late 1980's, which was when she made those comments, that was hardly the case.

[Urban Ranger]

Everybody and his uncle are trying to take the centre now.

[VetLegion]

Originally posted by Cort Haus
Apart from being an old-style white supremacist Tory, Thatcher would befriend any hard rightist leader, or in fact anyone making appropriately anti-leftist noises.

She was also an admirer of Tudjman, Vet.

Yeah, I know. John Mayor OTOH was much colder if I recall correctly.

But I never thought of Thatcher as being a white supremacist.

[Spiffor]

Re: Re: Re: Tories continue the retreat from Thatcherism

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp
By the late 1980's, which was when she made those comments, that was hardly the case.

How did they ever NOT conform to the conservative definition of terrorists?
"People we do not like".

[MOBIUS]

Everyone knows my opinion on that b!tch Thatch!

I hear that her health is deteriorating now and if there ever was someone I would wish a slow and painful death it would be her...

So, it only makes sense that the Tories are finally kicking her legacy into touch. Cameron seems like a smart fellow and the prospect of appealing to a greater number of middle ground voters than alienating a smaller number of ageing closet BNP dinosaurs is a no brainer.

[SlowwHand]

[MOBIUS]

Dancing on her grave?

[Geronimo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Tories continue the retreat from Thatcherism

Originally posted by Spiffor



How did they ever NOT conform to the conservative definition of terrorists?
"People we do not like".

So were they calling the labour party terrorists as well?

[MOBIUS]

Paul Kelleher, My hero...