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  • #76
    Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
    I would never approve an abortion within my own family.

    But stem cells are not embryos, they are just a blob in a jar.


    Well Done!!

    I have absolutely no idea where you're coming from.
    I don't know what I am - Pekka

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    • #77
      Originally posted by DanS
      I understand that the RC church is taking a serious look at it.
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/26/AR2006082600535.html


      Vatican Critical of Stem Cell Creation

      By MARIA SANMINIATELLI
      The Associated Press
      Saturday, August 26, 2006; 6:05 PM

      VATICAN CITY -- A Vatican official on Saturday criticized a new method of making stem cells that does not require the destruction of embryos, calling it a "manipulation" that did not address the church's ethical concerns.

      Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, the Vatican's top official on bioethical questions, said in an interview with Vatican Radio that the method of making stem cells devised by scientists at Advanced Cell Technology Inc. in Alameda, Calif., remains an in-vitro form of reproduction, which the church opposes.

      ...

      Advanced Cell's method "doesn't solve the ethical problems," Sgreccia said.

      ...

      But Sgreccia said the new method does not address what he said was the fact that even the single cell removed in the new approach could theoretically grow into a full-fledged human.

      The current method of creating stem cells involves the destruction of embryos after about five days of development, when they consist of about 100 cells.

      ...

      Pope Benedict XVI said in February that embryos developed for in-vitro fertilization deserve the same right to life as fetuses, children and adults _ and that that right extends to embryos even before they are transferred into a woman's womb.

      Benedict's comments were significant because he specified that even an embryo in its earliest stages _ when it is just a few cells _ is just as much a human life as an older being.
      I don't know what I am - Pekka

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      • #78
        I can't believe that stem cell research is being ethically compared to necrophilia. The point is that the technology in question has great potential for society. Corspe-******** only has value for the sicko.

        Mind you, the Vatican trying to dictate on 'ethics' makes me pretty sick.

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        • #79
          TN: Thanks for the link. It sounds like the Vatican has already vetted this. I must have mistaken this method with another potential method that worked with stem cells that did not have the capacity to form a new life.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Cort Haus
            Mind you, the Vatican trying to dictate on 'ethics' makes me pretty sick.
            I take what the church says seriously. Whether I end up agreeing with it is another matter, of course.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #81
              Originally posted by DanS


              I take what the church says seriously.
              Of course you do.
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Cort Haus
                I can't believe that stem cell research is being ethically compared to necrophilia. The point is that the technology in question has great potential for society. Corspe-******** only has value for the sicko.

                Mind you, the Vatican trying to dictate on 'ethics' makes me pretty sick.
                Considering that it claims to be a religious authority, it makes sense for it to.

                Even religious groups that don't claim to have religious authority, still campaign for their positions on ethics.

                JM
                (face it, while there is a bit of religion that is entirely out of the world of ethics, most religion is very invovled in it)

                (particularly Christianity)
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #83
                  Good luck, Jon. Many here can't even recognize that a country's laws are based on religion.
                  Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                  "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                  He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                  • #84
                    Obviously it makes sense for the Vatican to have an opinion on the matter. I personally tend to disagree with the Vatican, and consider the Vatican's ethical history to be dubious at best, but it makes perfect sense that the Church would take a position.

                    Dan, be a typical American Catholic and ignore them!

                    -Arrian
                    grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                    The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by SlowwHand
                      Good luck, Jon. Many here can't even recognize that a country's laws are based on religion.
                      They shouldn't always be.

                      It is just that religions are about ethics. Note that one does not imply the other. Religions can talk about ethics, and try to convince people who have office to make laws based upon those ethics. But that isn't the only place where ethics can come from.

                      Philosophy is also about ethics.

                      Jon Miller
                      Jon Miller-
                      I AM.CANADIAN
                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #86
                        Theft and murder are the 2 biggest concerns of law.
                        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                        • #87
                          Right, which religions say something about, as well as different philosophies. Note that there are some religions, and some philosophies, that don't put such a high ideal on property and life that Judio-Christian religions (and the philosophies that developed arround them) do.

                          JM
                          Jon Miller-
                          I AM.CANADIAN
                          GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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