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    What the Times knew, and when it knew it

    Maybe it's just us, but when a newspaper comes up with information suggesting that the president of the United States has been engaged in illegal surveillance of American citizens, that's a story that ought to be told. And when the information is available to the newspaper in time for an election -- which is to say, in time for the American people to incorporate it into their thinking about whether to reelect said president -- well, it seems to us that the newspaper has a special obligation to get it into print promptly.

    But then, we're not the New York Times.

    When the Times reported on Dec. 15, 2005, that George W. Bush had authorized a plan for warrantless spying on American citizens, we -- and a lot of other people -- noticed a circumspect little sentence deep in the story. "After meeting with senior administration officials to hear their concerns," James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote, "the newspaper delayed publication for a year to conduct additional reporting."

    Did a year mean "365 days", or did it mean "about 365 days"? And if it was the latter, did it mean that the Times knew about the warrantless wiretapping before the presidential election in November 2004? We put that question to Times spokeswoman Catherine Mathis at the time, but she never answered it. The Times' public editor, Byron Calame, pursued the question with the Times' executive editor, Bill Keller, but he declined to comment, too.

    To his credit, Calame never gave up. Troubled by what seemed to be shifting language about the delay -- the initial story and a statement issued over Keller's name said the paper had held the story for "a year," but Keller later seemed to acknowledge implicitly that the delay had been longer -- Calame kept asking for details, and Keller has now provided them: Drafts of the article were written weeks before the presidential election, Keller says, and "the climactic discussion about whether to publish was right on the eve of the election."


    They knew the President was breaking the law and they didn't let the American people know before an election.
    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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    America hater.

    "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
    "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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    • #3
      Aren't we all?

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      • #4
        Stephen has a message for you, Che.
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        "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
        "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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        • #5
          He's against business casual?
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            In times like these, who cares if our nation state wants to monitor people, If the British Government announced they will monitor individuals at random, I won't complain right now.

            If they wish to continue once a threat has gone, then I will. During the last war our freedoms were severely curtailed and we had to suffer an identity card system, this time we have an local problem in the UK with disloyal British Muslims.

            This might never get solved as they are here to stay, so must measures to counter them therefore as they they don't wish to leave the liberal nation that allows them to forment the hatred they have to the host nation of their families.

            Why are we so stupid?

            Toby

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            • #7
              Since you admit that this will never go away, you seem perfectly okay with the curtailing of a few rights.

              Some thoughts about governments and people. Give a little, and they'll take a mile.

              Or, raise the temperature of the pot a bit, and the frog won't notice it's being boiled alive.

              I don't want to give the government that little bit. I might not mind, if the government could be trusted--but the problem is that it's run by people. Stupid people, mostly, but a few smart ones, too. Often times, too smart for their own good--and since they have to work in committees, they're really just dumb ****s as well.

              Just because a problem is here to stay doesn't mean I want my rights to be abridged in the name of "security". If I were that cowardly and ignorant of what once made this American country great, perhaps I'd go along with these abridgements.

              Because really, if you want to be perfectly safe, you may as well live in a padded room with a straitjacket on.
              B♭3

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              • #8
                Colbert has put Che on the list!!!!



                'bout time
                Monkey!!!

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                • #9
                  Damn librul media!!!

                  Wait...
                  I changed my signature

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Japher
                    Colbert has put Che on the list!!!!



                    'bout time

                    I didn't even notice the first time I looked at it. Photoshoppery
                    Everything changes, but nothing is truly lost.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Toby Rowe
                      In times like these, who cares if our nation state wants to monitor people, If the British Government announced they will monitor individuals at random, I won't complain right now.

                      If they wish to continue once a threat has gone, then I will. During the last war our freedoms were severely curtailed and we had to suffer an identity card system, this time we have an local problem in the UK with disloyal British Muslims.

                      This might never get solved as they are here to stay, so must measures to counter them therefore as they they don't wish to leave the liberal nation that allows them to forment the hatred they have to the host nation of their families.

                      Why are we so stupid?

                      Toby

                      "Those who would give a little liberty to gain a little security will recieve neither, and lose both." -Ben Franklin

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Odin
                        "Those who would give a little liberty to gain a little security will recieve neither, and lose both." -Ben Franklin
                        Liberty: One of Imagination's most precious possessions. ~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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                        "Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there's no conspiracy"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Toby Rowe
                          In times like these, who cares if our nation state wants to monitor people, If the British Government announced they will monitor individuals at random, I won't complain right now.
                          Good for you.

                          Now, there are some people who do complain, and they should have known about the wire-tappings before the election. Democracy works best when the electorate can make an informed choice.
                          "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                          "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                          "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MMC

                            Liberty: One of Imagination's most precious possessions. ~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
                            "Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this battlestation." - Grand Moff Tarkin
                            "Stuie has the right idea" - Japher
                            "I trust Stuie and all involved." - SlowwHand
                            "Stuie is right...." - Guynemer

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Guynemer
                              Stephen has a message for you, Che.
                              Sweet!


                              Who's Michael Adams?
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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