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**dannubis** · July 28, 2006, 05:57

way cool !!!

**Al B. Sure!** · July 28, 2006, 06:23

german aircraft carrier

why? was it just because everybody else was building them?

(did the germans even have aircraft for it? Naval versions of Me 109s and Stukas?)

**Seeker** · July 28, 2006, 06:24

It would make a cool dive site. A huge, useless boondoggle. What good is ONE carrier?

**BeBMan** · July 28, 2006, 06:29

Originally posted by Albert Speer
german aircraft carrier

why? was it just because everybody else was building them?

(did the germans even have aircraft for it? Naval versions of Me 109s and Stukas?)

Yup. Called Me 109T/Ju 87T for "Träger" (=carrier).

And when we look how the war in the Pacific went, the idea of building carriers rather made sense, just that Germany hadn't the resources to keep a serious navy similar to the UK or even US (which is one reason that the Zeppelin actually never was ready for service).

**Al B. Sure!** · July 28, 2006, 06:49

And when we look how the war in the Pacific went, the idea of building carriers rather made sense,

It made sense IN THE PACIFIC with sea campaigns being fought over hundreds of miles of open ocean with hundreds of little islands and atols scattered about without pre-existing airfields (or even clear land to build an airfield). In Northern Europe, carriers made no sense. The ONLY practical use I could see of a German carrier was to conduct operations in northern Britain during the Battle of Britain because Me 109s at the time did not have the range for such forays. I don't believe the germans even did that, instead using land-based me 110 fighters from France/Holland and Norway.

**BeBMan** · July 28, 2006, 06:57

Carriers providing air cover for surface vessels and allowing better naval force projection makes sense everywhere, not only in the Pacific. Just remember that the Tirpitz spent most of the war in safe ports because it was well known how the Brits damaged the rudder of the Bismarck with attacks of some old Swordfish planes - coming from the carrier Ark Royal. I bet the Bismarck crew would have welcomed the addition of a carrier and esp. his fighter complement to their force this day.

**dannubis** · July 28, 2006, 07:06

Originally posted by Seeker
It would make a cool dive site.

Indeed

**Al B. Sure!** · July 28, 2006, 07:26

BeBro:

the whole German capital ship thing was a mistake anyway. The only part of the Kriegsmarine that did anything worthy was the u-boat corps.

**dannubis** · July 28, 2006, 07:33

well, the scharnhorst and gneisenau story does not agree with you (22 merchant ships sunt in less than 2 months)

**Ecthy** · July 28, 2006, 08:05

I think Britain started WWII because they were afraid of German navy building.

Discuss

**BeBMan** · July 28, 2006, 08:50

Originally posted by Albert Speer
The only part of the Kriegsmarine that did anything worthy was the u-boat corps.

Which got slaughtered with ever increasing intensity from 42 on by allied ASW forces.

**Ecthy** · July 28, 2006, 08:53

Yeah, our subs were cool before that. The same happens to me in HOI2, as British and US ships get better.

**siron** · July 28, 2006, 08:54

Originally posted by Seeker
It would make a cool dive site. A huge, useless boondoggle.

80m. Not reachable for diver noobs like me.

**BeBMan** · July 28, 2006, 08:56

Do you play vanilla HOi2 or DD? I heard in vanilla sub stacks are able to take out entire fleets, in DD they are more or less worthless against other warships, but good at convoy raiding (more realistic).

Damn if I had known this was developing into a game thread we could have get + 1s in the other games thingie.

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