8 canadians killed in south lebanon.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Hezbollah have been acknowledged as the Army of South Lebanon by Lebanese governments.

Hezbollah has two of its members serving as ministers in the current government.

When Hezbollah attacked the IDF, as they have done in the past, it was an act of war by one state upon another. I can't blame Israel for replying.

Its the manner of their reply which is morally reprehensible.

[notyoueither]

I don't agree, up to the point that they do not target civilians without regard for targets of military value.

IOW, as long as they are shooting at Hezbollah or infrastructure useful to Hezbollah they are fine.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither
I don't agree, up to the point that they do not target civilians without regard for targets of military value.

IOW, as long as they are shooting at Hezbollah or infrastructure useful to Hezbollah they are fine.

And they have killed over 100 Lebanese civilians, and leveleled a great number of apartment buildings, and homes.

[notyoueither]

Yes, I've heard.

I've also heard that Hezbollah are adept at hiding among civilians, or locating batteries in back yards.

[GePap]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Yes, I've heard.

I've also heard that Hezbollah are adept at hiding among civilians, or locating batteries in back yards.

Except most of those civilians have been killed in Beirut, far from where rockets are fired.

Israel has shown a distinct lack of care in keeping inoocent civilians unharmed for years now. They have become masters of "coolateral damage. " Wonder why the Arab street dislikes Israel...its so hard to figuire out, really....

[notyoueither]

You mean the same Beirut where Hezbollah is headquartered? There might be some legitimate targets there.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
Oerdin, how does the killing of innocent civilians by terrorists motivate killing other innocent civilians as a response?

It is very simple. The world cannot just look the other way as horride terrorist acts are commited. Lebanon was ordered, ten years ago, to disarm Hamas and take control of its southern border by the UN but it has deliberately ignored that order and instead invited Hamas into the government. The Labanese people choose this. They chose to be part of terrorism just as the people of Syria and Iran have chosen to support international terrorism in the name of their religion.

They are evil just as the Germans who did not fight the Nazis are evil. They have chosen to be evil just as they have, for decades, chosen to supporter the murder of civilians. These people should have their cities fire bombed. Towns which have missiles launched within them should be razed. They want war without regard to the rules of civilized society so they should be given total war complete with all of its horrors. The rules of war only work if both sides uphold them but the Arab world (yes, the Arab world) has chosen to support terrorism and ignore the rules of war so they should not benifet from them. They should suffer millions being killed until they are so tramatized that they will never again support terrorism.

Unfortunately, that won't happen. Instead the Arabs will continue to support terrorism, the Israelis will continue to conduct half measures which won't win, and we will continue to pretend that both sides are to blame. German society as a whole was guilty of Naziism and had to be pnished; Arab society as a whole is guilty of Islamo-Facist Terrorism and needs to be punished.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap

Its the manner of their reply which is morally reprehensible.

I don't agree. It was the raid upon Israel, the murder of Israelis, and the taking of Israeli hostages by a party of the Labonese government which was reprehensible. I will not cry for the evil bastards who did this just as I will not cry for the evil bastards who continue to support such terrorism. The Lebonese people support terrorism and this just isn't enough to punish them for it. If there was any justice in the world all of Lebonon should be a smoking ruin.

That Israel has been so restrained in its response to such state sponsored terrorism is a testimont to the humanity of the Israeli people.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Originally posted by Oerdin
It is very simple. The world cannot just look the other way as horride terrorist acts are commited. Lebanon was ordered, ten years ago, to disarm Hamas and take control of its southern border by the UN but it has deliberately ignored that order and instead invited Hamas into the government. The Labanese people choose this. They chose to be part of terrorism just as the people of Syria and Iran have chosen to support international terrorism in the name of their religion.

And this is the problem. People think that Hamas and Hezbollah are the same thing. Hezbollah, the vast majority of times, only target Isreali soldiers (mostly who were occupying Southern Lebanon up until 2000). That means they aren't really "terrorists", since they are going after the military and not civilians.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap

And they have killed over 100 Lebanese civilians, and leveleled a great number of apartment buildings, and homes.

Those civilians were in, or atleast very close, to Hamas buildings. Yesterday I listened to an NPR report where a woman cried endlessly about her "pre-school" beinbg bombed by Israel. It turns out her "pre-school" was in a Hamas building, it was founded with money from Hamas, and she taught her "students" that Jews are evil and the only way to get to heaven is to kill as many Jews as possible. I only regret that this evil ***** wasn't in the building when it was bombed. She should die for what she has done.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

And this is the problem. People think that Hamas and Hezbollah are the same thing. Hezbollah, the vast majority of times, only target Isreali soldiers (mostly who were occupying Southern Lebanon up until 2000). That means they aren't really "terrorists", since they are going after the military and not civilians.

I disagree. A terrorist is a terrorist and they should all be exterminated. As should anyone or any society which supports them.

Hezbollah launches rockets at civilian cities, Hezbollah bombs buses full of children, Hezbollah is evil. There can be no peace with evil. They need to be killed and everyone in societies which support such terrorists need to be subjected to fire bombings, mass killings, and other horrors until they understand why civilized societies attempted to create rules of war. As it is the terrorists ignore all morality and murder children so these societies must suffer. Maybe after a generation of their societies have been exterminated, as a generation of German and Japanese were exterminated, then maybe they will learn to no longer support terrorism. They need to be shown no mercy. They need to have everything they love destroyed so that they will finally give up on their evil quest.

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Hezbollah bombs buses full of children

When was this?

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by notyoueither
Reports are the government has leased ships to go to evacuate up to 40,000 Canadians from Lebanon.

I wonder how that'll work, given the blockade, not to mention gathering up all the Canucks with roads and bridges being bombed.

IIRC the UK is negotiating with Israel on that.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin


I don't agree. It was the raid upon Israel, the murder of Israelis, and the taking of Israeli hostages by a party of the Labonese government which was reprehensible. I will not cry for the evil bastards who did this just as I will not cry for the evil bastards who continue to support such terrorism. The Lebonese people support terrorism and this just isn't enough to punish them for it. If there was any justice in the world all of Lebonon should be a smoking ruin.

On 9/11 3000 people were killed by AQ. The US showed FAR MORE RESTRAINT after a categorically far worse attack against it than Israel has shown. The uS government gave the Taliban a couple of weeks to hand AQ over. Within 24 hours Israel was alrwady bombing civilian infrastructure throughout Lebanon.

A military raid was conducted by Hizbullah, one that Hizbullah had been warning about for months anyways. Israel's response was all out of proportion. BUt there is a reason for that. It wasn;t just a response, Israel took the raid as an oppourtunity to enact long-standing plans of how it would strike Hizbullah. The raid gave Israel a causus belli, but the plan put in place was already on the books.

And may I add that lately you have sounded as bad as any terrorist in your bloodthirsty pronouncements. I have no respoect for fundamentalist, and you are sounding horribly like one lately.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Spiffor
No, I'm extremely angry.

Edit: However, I do have that bad habit:
To use the French phrase, I like to "put someone's nose in his own crap". I want Sloww, MtG, Lancer and Plato (whom I didn't quote because it was only a QTF on MtG) to be face-to-face with what they're cheering.

Do you support vaccinations?

If someone dies from a vaccination, should I "put your nose in your own crap" about it?

The fact that bad things accompany something - even if it means innocents die - means nothing. You have to demonstrate that the negatives outweigh the positives.