Chechen warlord Basayev reported killed

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark
I cant blame the Russians for not buying that.

Thanks, it's nice to hear that from you.

[Serb]

Re: Chechen warlord Basayev reported killed

Originally posted by Saras
The reported death of Basayev has not yet been confirmed by Chechen rebel sources.

It was confirmed already by Kavkazcenter stinking propaganda ****hole of theirs. Though they claim it was a suicide or an accident.
Meanwhile, the pieces of crap (suicide, my as$ ) previously known as Basaev were delivered to laboratory for genetic expertise.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by Sir Ralph
Basayev was murderous scum and got what was coming to him.

Tru dat. Child murderers need to be hunted down and exterminated.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Winston
I thought they already killed him a while ago.

Well, better safe than sorry.

Nope, we didn't.
The brief history of our hunt for the bad guys:

1996, Dudaev (self-proclaimed emperor of Chechnya) is eliminated.

2000, Raduev (assualts on Pervomayskoe, Kizlyar and many other terrorist attacks) is captured, got his life sentence, just to die two years after, in prison (the as$hole had a best quality titanium plate, instead of nearly half of his skull, when he was captured. So his end was near anyway).

2002, Emir al-Hattab (Bin Ladden's right hand in Chechnya) is eliminated

2004, Yandarbiev (Dudaev's successor, besides his bloodbathing activities, is also famous for establishment of diplomatic relations between the self-proclaimed Ichkeria and the holy empire of Taliban) is eliminated in Quatar (Quatar is the sh!thole way far away from Russia ).
2004, Gelaev (assault on Komsomolskoe, etc) is eliminated in Dagestan.
2004, Abu al-Valid (Hattab's successor) is eliminated.
2004, Abu Kuteibu (another AQ arsehole) is eliminated.
2005, Abu Dseit (same sh!t - AQ emissary in Chechnya) is eliminated.
2005, Maskhadov (so-called president of Ichkeria, Nord-Ost, Beslan, etc) is eliminated.
2005, Chitigov (terrorist attack at Manezhnaya square at Moscow) is eliminated.
2005, Abdul Halim Saidulaev (Maskhadov's self-proclaimed successor) is eliminated.
2006, Basaev (assault on maternity hospital in Budenovsk, destruction of appartment buildings at Moscow and other Russian cities, Nord-Ost, Beslan, etc, etc, etc.) is eliminated.
So, who else we have in our list of most wanted motherfuñkers?
NONE.
All terrorist key figures are dead now. Basaev was the last and the most wanted terrorist. He is just like OBL for us. I told you we will get him, and we did. That inhuman beeing (to find a nice words for motherfuñker) is burning in hell, right now.

I salute to Russian special forces - WELL DONE!!!

[Serb]

Originally posted by cronos_qc
hello, is it me or Eltsine have invaded Chechen territory in 1994?

Resulting in the murdering and rape of thoudsand of people.

hello, was it Eltsin who proclaimed "Chechnya for Chechenians" and "Good Russian is dead Russian", before the Russians ever invaded to stop the bloodbath there in 1994?

He was an ass... but we dont have to forget that the people of Chenya are suffering.

And murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of Russian inhabitants of Chechnya, slaughtered by local nationalists, who decorated their fences with Russian intestines in 1993, is surelly doesn't matter? Their suffering was nothing, of course, becuase they were just Russians - an Untermensches, right?

[Serb]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Not quite. If Alberta ever claimed independence, I doubt Canada would react nearly as ruthlessly as Russia did.

Canada reacted a way more ruthlessly a long time ago already. They just EXTERMINATED the locals to prevent the Chechnya situation ever happen. Just like USAsians did.

However, one of the reasons for Russia's harshness is because the Chechen independentist movement was hijacked by murderous scum

There was no independent movement. Wake-up already. James Bond series and Rambo-3 has told you there was an independent movement in Afghanistan against the bloody Soviets.
Later we find out there was a bunch of religious extrimists sponsored by CIA and that the whole crap was inspired by USA to let USSR has its own Vietnam. Same with Chechnya. There were bunch of the same extremist religious motherfuñkers who used the situation (the collapse of the country) to benefit themselves.

[Serb]

Originally posted by lord of the mark

Nonetheless, despite that, after the first Chechen war, they gave it almost defacto independence

A bit of corection here - IT WAS a defacto independence between 1996-1999, while they weren't independent dejuro, yet. The question about dejuro independence had been postponed in 1996, when we signed a truce treaty.

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Not quite. If Alberta ever claimed independence, I doubt Canada would react nearly as ruthlessly as Russia did.

However, one of the reasons for Russia's harshness is because the Chechen independentist movement was hijacked by murderous scum.

Ruthless, shmutless, but you simply can't invade what is yours anyway, that's why I made the comment.

Besides, had Chechnya just claimed indepence, nothing wrong at all would have happened. They would've gotten a strict "no" and that would have been it. But they chose the way of terror and murder, not only at home, but also in Moscow. And other than the KLA terrorists they didn't find a military block dumb enough to do the dirty work for them.

[Serb]

Finally we found a common understanding of certain issue.

[Winston]

Thanks for the list of bad guys, Serb.

I must've confused him with someone else, probably Maskhadov.

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Serb


And murder and rape of hundreds of thousands of Russian inhabitants of Chechnya, slaughtered by local nationalists, who decorated their fences with Russian intestines in 1993, is surelly doesn't matter?

Cite for the above?


I can find nothing on it, just references to general anarchy, drug smuggling, etc, during which Russia negotiated with Chechen pols, but not with Dudayev, till they had a group of Chechens willing to fight Dudayev.

[Serb]

Too bad you can't read Russian. Your media has its own neo-cold war agenda, where Russians are definetly evil. They don't say much about the massacre of Russians in the Chechnya.

Ok, some links on English here:

Russians! Don’t Leave, we need slaves!

The following are the exerpts of Russian refugees testimonies taken during 1991 – 1995. Some of family names have been changed due to murder threats.

Ms. A. Kochedikova, former Grozny resident.

“I fled from Grozny in February 1993 because of constant threats from armed Chechens and non-payment crisis. I left behing my furnished apartment, 2 cars, a garage and fled with my husband. In February 1995 Chechens killed my neighbor on the street (she was born in 1966). They broke her head and ribs, raped her.

The WWII veteran Ms. Yelena Ivanovna was murdered from the neighboring apt.

Starting 1993 it became unbearable to survive, mass murders were everywhere. The cars were blown up with people inside. Russians were fired from their jobs without any reason.

A man was killed in his apt. (he was born in 1935). He was stabbed 9 times, his daughter was raped and killed in the kitchen of their apt.”

Mr. B. Yephankin, former Grozny resident.

“In May 1993 in my garage I was assaulted and battered by 2 Chechens armed with a gun and an automatic gun.

They wanted my car but it was in the repair shop at that moment, so they couldn’t hijack it. They started shooting above my head.

In the fall of 1993 a group of armed Chechens commited an atrocious murder of my friend, Mr. Bolgarsky who refused to voluntarily give away his car “Volga”. It was not the only case, there was a massacre. That’s why I had to leave Grozny.”

Mr. D. Gakuryan, former Grozny resident.

“In November 1994 my Chechen neighbors threatened me with gun and then kicked me out of the apt. and settled down there.”

Ms. P.Kuskova, former Grozny resident.

“On July 1, 1994 four Chechen teens broke my arm and raped me not far from “Red Hammer” plant when I was coming home from work.”

Mr. E. Dapkulinets, former Grozny resident.

“On December 6,7, 1994 I was severely beaten for the refusal to take part in military action together with Ukranean hirelings in the village of Chechen-Aul.”

Ms. E. Barsukova, former Grozny resident.

“In the summer of 1994 from my window I witnessed the hijacking of my neighbor’s car (his name is Mr. Mkrtchan). The armed Chechens approached him and shot him in the leg. Then they got into his car and drove away.”

Ms. G. Tarasova, former Grozny resident.

“On May 6, 1993 my husband – Mr. Tarasov disappeared. I presume that he was taken by force to the mountains by Chechens to work, for he was a welder.”

Ms. E. Khobova, former Grozny resident.

“On December 31, 1994 my husband – Mr. Pogodin and his brother – Mr. Yeryomin were killed by a Chechen sniper when they were taking away the corps of Russian soldiers.”

Ms. N. Trofimova, former Grozny resident.

“In September 1994 Chechens stormed my sisters apt. (Ms. Vishnyakova). They raped her in the presense of her children, beat her son and took away her 12-year old daughter Helen. She never returned home.

From 1993 my son has been severely beaten and robbed by Chechens.”

Ms. Ageeva, former village Petropavlovskaya resident.

“On January 11, 1995 on the village square Russian soldiers were gunned down by Chechens.”

Ms. Khrapova, former Gudermes resident.

“In August 1992 our neighbor Mr. Sarkisyan and his wife were tortured and set on fire alive.”

Mr. Kobzaryev, former Grozny region resident.

“On November 7, 1991 three armed Chechens shot at my country house. Miraculously, I survived. In September 1992 armed Chechens demanded that I leave my apartment and threw a grenade. Soon after that, fearing the death threats my family and I had to leave the republic.”

Ms. Alexandrova, former Grozny resident.

“My daughter was coming home from work one day. The Chechens seized her, dragged into their car, beat her, stabbed and raped her. We had to leave the city.”

Ms. Vdovchenko, former Grozny resident.

“Some days ago, early in the morning my neighbor, a KGB officer, Mr. Tolstenko, was kidnapped by armed Chechens. Later, his mutilated corpse was found. I was told about this by Ms. O.K.” (It really happened in Grozny in 1991)

Ms. Nazarenko, former Grozny resident.

“I stayed in Grozny until November, 1992. President Dudaev was indulgent towards all kinds of crimes against Russians and Chechens were never punished for that. Quite unexpectedly the principal of Grozny State University, Mr. Kan-Kalik disappeared. Later, his corpse was accidentally found in a forest in a pit. He was murdered because he didn’t want to quit his position.”

Ms. Shepetilo, 1981 – y.o.b.

“I lived in Grozny until the end of April 1994. I worked as a principalof Music School, village Kalinovskaya, Naur region. At the end of 1993 I was going home from work to Grozny. The bus was out of order, so I had to take a walk. I heard a car “Zhiguly” pulling over. An armed Chechen got out of it and threatening to kill me, dragged me into the car. He took me to a remote field, beat and raped me.”

Ms. Yunusova.

“My son was kidnapped for 3 weeks for a ranson of 1.5 mln. roubles. They let him go after we paid.”

Ms. M. Portnikh.

“In the spring of 1992 a liquor store on Dyakov St. was robbed. A grenade was thrown into manager’s apartment. Her husband died and her leg had to be amputated.”

Ms. Chekulina, 1949 – y.o.b.

“I left Grozny in March, 1993. My son was robbed 5 times, his clothes taken. On his way to school, the Chechens beat him severely, broke his skull, threatened with knife. I was beaten and raped also only because I’m Russian. The Dean of my son’s faculty was murdered. Before our departure from Grozny, my son’s friend Max was killed.”

Ms. Minkoyeva, 1978 – y.o.b.

“In 1992 in Grozny our neighboring school was attaked. The student of the 7th grade were taken hostages for 1 day. There was a group rape of the whole class and 3 teachers. In 1993 my classmate M. was kidnapped. In the summer of 1993 one man was shot down by Chechens at the railway station.”

Ms. Komarova, former Grozny resident.

“I worked as a pediatric nurse at Clinic #1 in Grozny. We had a nurse, named Totikova. The armed Chechens came in to her house and gunned down all the family. All my life was in fear. One day, President Dudaev raided our clinic with his armed men. He yelled that there was a Russian Genocide, because our building used to be a KGB office long ago. We were all pushed against the walls and threatened. I was not paid for 7 months. An April 1993 I had to leave the city.”

Ms. Yu. Plentyova, 1970 – y.o.b.

“In the summer of 1994 at 1 pm on Khrushchyov Square I witessed an execution of 2 Chechens, 1 Russian an 1 Korean. It was performed by 4 Dudaev’s guardsmen, who brought the above mentioned victims in foreign made cars. One car which was passing by during the execution was damaged and the driver sustained injuries.”

Mr. A. Fedyushkin, 1945 – y.o.b.

“In 1992 disguised armed Chechens hijacked my relative’s car in the village of Chervlyonnaya. In 1992 or 1993 2 armed Chechens tied up my wife (1949 – y.o.b.) and my older daughter (1973 – y.o.b.) and raped them, then they stole our TV, gas range and disappeared. The attackers were wearing masks.

In 1992 in the village of Chervlyonnaya my mother was robbed by some Chechens. They beat her and took away her icon, and a cross.

My brother’s neighbor went driving outside Chervlyonnaya village and disappeared. This car was later found in the mountains and his corpse – in the river 3 months later.”

Ms. V. Doronina.

“At the end of August 1992 my granddaughter was forcibly taken into the car by Chechens, but soon they let her go. In the village of Nizhneviuk (Assinovka) in the children’s home Chechens raped all girls and the teachers.

My son was threatened to be murdered by his neighbor Yunus who demanded that he sell him his house.

At the end of 1991 armed Chechens attacked my relative’s house looking for money. Threatened to kill him and killed his son.”

Mrs. Akinshina, 1961 – y.o.b.

“In August 25, 1992 around midnight in my country house 4 Chechens aged 15-16 raped me. They hit me on my head. After that threatening to kill me they made my dog rape me, too.”

Mr. N. Lobenko, former Grozny resident.

“In the lobby of my apartment building the Chechens gunned down 1 Armenian and 1 Russian man. The Russian was killed because he tried to defend the Armenian.”

Mrs. I. Zabrodina, former Grozny resident.

“One day, Chechens snatched away my purse. In March – April 1994 my daughter who worked at a boarding school was raped and beaten by a drunk Chechen who came into the school. Then he tried to kill her. She was lucky to escape.

I also witnessed the robbery of the neighboring house. The tenants were in a bomb shelter at that time.”

Ms. O. Kalchenko, former Grozny resident.

“My co-worker, a young girl of 22 years old, was raped and gunned down by a group Chechens in front of my office building. Later, I was threatened with knife and robbed of my only money by 2 Chechens.”

Mr. V. Karagedin, former Grozny resident.

“Chechens killed my younger son – 04.01.94 and also my older son – 08.01.95.”

Mr. Dzuba, former Grozny resident.

“All the residents were urged to take Chechens citizenship. In case of refusal, they would not get food stamps.”

Ms. Abidzhaliyeva, former Grozny resident.

“We fleed from Grozny on Jan. 13, 1995 because Chechens wanted us to defend them from Russian military. They beat my brother for his refusal to join their guards.”

Mr. O. Borichevsky, former Grozny resident.

In April 1993 our apartment was robbed by Chechens in “Special Forces” uniforms. They robbed us of all the valuables we had.”

Ms. N/ Kolesnikova, former Grozny resident.

“On Dec. 2, 1993 on the bus stop “36th microregion” 5 Chechens took me forcibly into a near garage, beat me up, raped me and then threw me into the car. After that they took me to different apartments where they raped me and injected drugs. They let me go only on Dec. 5, 1993.”

Ms. A.Kurbanova, Ms. O.Kurbanova, Mr. L.Kurbanov, former Grozny residents.

“Our neighbors – T. (father, mother, son and daughter) were all murdered by Chechens in their apt.”

Ms. Fefelova, former Grozny resident.

“Our neighbor’s daughter, a girl of 12 years old, was kidnapped by Chechens. Later, they started sending them pictures of her being raped and tortured. They demanded a ransom.”

Ms. Saniyeva, former Grozny resident.

“During the battles in Grozny I saw women – snipers among. Dudaev’s guards.”

Ms. L. Davidova, former Grozny resident.

“In August 1993 3 Chechens attacked my neighbor’s house in Gudermess. They pushed the husband under the bed and atrociously raped the wife (they also used some objects). In a week, the woman died. My kitchen was set on fire on Dec. 31, 1994.”

Ms. Lisitskaya, former Grozny resident.

“I used to live near a railway station. Used to witness daily robbery of the trains. On Jan. 1, 1995 some Chechens visited me demanding money for guns and ammunition.”

Ms. Tselikina, former Grozny resident.

“On November 2, 1994 my daughter Anjela was kidnapped by Chechens.”

Mrs. Sukhorukova, former Grozny resident.

“In early April 1993 our apt. was robbed by Chechens. In late April our car was hijacked. On May 10, 1994 my husband Bardasaryan was gunned down on the street.”

Ms. Rudinskaya.

“In 1993 my apt. in the village of Novomaryevskaya was robbed by armed Chechens. They took away all valuables. My mother and I were raped and tortured by knife. In spring of 1993 my father- and mother-in-law were severely beaten on the street.”

Ms. Bochkaryova, Kalinovskaya village former resident.

“The Dudaev guards took hostages: Mr. Belyayev – the principal of the school, his vice principal – Mr. Plotnikov, and the director of the farm Kalinovski” – Mr. Erin. They demanded a ransom of 12 mln. roubles. When they didn’t get it, they killed the hostages.”

Ms. Ya. Nefedova, former Grozny resident.

“On Jan. 13, 1991 my husband and I were robbed by Chechens in our own apt. They took all valuables, even my ear rings.”

Ms. V. Malashin, former Grozny resident.

“On Jan. 9, 1995 my wife and I were visiting our friends. Their apt. was attacked by 3 armed Chechens. They robbed us all and raped my wife and her friend.”

Mr. Yu. Usachov, Mr. F. Usachov.

“In Dec. 20, 1994 we were beaten by Dudaev’s guards because we refused to join their army.”

Ms. Kalganova, former Grozny resident.

“My Armenian neighbors were robbed by Chechens and their 15-year old daughter was raped. In 1993 the Prokhorov family was attacked, too.”

Ms. Plotnikova, former Grozny resident.

“In the winter of 1992, my neighbors and I were attacked by armed Chechens. They took away our property ownerships. I left my apartment, garage and a country house. My son and a daughter witnessed the murder of our neighbor – B. who was gunned down.”

Ms. Makharin, former Grozny resident.

“On Nov. 19, 1994 my family was attacked by armed Chechens. We were thrown away from our car (my wife and the kids). We were beaten by legs, the ribs were broken. My wife was raped. They took away our car and the belongings.”

Ms. M. Vasilyeva, former Grozny resident.

“In Sep. 1994 2 chechen guards raped my 19-year old daughter.”

Ms. N. Kovrizhkin, former Grozny resident.

“In oct. 1992 Dudaev declared a total mobilization from 15 to 50. I worked for a railroad company. During our working hours we were guarded like prisoners. In Gudermes station I witnessed a murder of a man who was gunned down. Chechens said they had killed because of a feud.”

Mr. A. Fedorov, former Grozny resident.

“In 1993, Chechens robbed my apt. In 1994, they robbed me of my car. I turned to police. When I saw my car a few days later with armed Chechens inside, also reported to police.

I was told to forget about the car, threatened and ordered to leave Chechnya.”

Mr. A Burmurzayev, former Grozny resident.

“On Nov. 1994, I became a witness of how Chechens set on fire 6 tanks with their crew belonging to their opposition.”

Ms. Panteleeva, former Grozny resident.

“In 1991, Dudaev’s guards stormed the Ministry of Internal Affairs building, killing the officers, one colonel and injuring a major.

The same year The Principal of Grozny State University Mr. Kan-Kalik was kidnapped and killed together with a vice-principal.

My parents’ apt. was attacked by 3 armed Chechens in masks. One of them was in police uniform. Threatening to kill them or torture with hot iron, they robbed them of 750.000 roubles and a car.”

Ms. E. Dudina, former Grozny resident.

“In the summer of 1994 I was beaten by Chechens on the street. My husband and my son were also beaten. They took my son’s watch. Then they grabbed me and took me to a nearest apt. building where in the lobby raped me.

My friend told me that one day when she was traveling by train to Krasnodar in 1993, the train was stopped. A group of armed Chechens entered it. They robbed all the passengers of money and valuables. One young girl was raped and thrown out of the train at full speed.”

Ms. Udalova, former Gudermes resident.

“On August 2, 1994 my house was attacked by 2 Chechens. They cut my mother’s throat, and we were lucky to defend ourselves. One of the attackers was my former high school student. I turned to police for protection, but after it they started to threaten me and my son. I sent my son and my relatives to Stavropol region and later left.

My pursuers exploded my house on Nov. 21, 1994.”

Ms. V. Fedorova, former Grozny resident.

“In April 1993 my friend’s daughter was kidnapped by Chechens. Later, she was found raped and dead.

My other friend was also raped by Chechens on her way home.

On May 17, 1993 in the lobby of my apartment house 2 young Chechens tried to rape me. My neighbor – an elderly Chechen – defended me.

In Sept. 1993 I was riding a car with my friend. We were stopped by a group of Chechens. They beat my friend and hit me in my face.”

http://conrad2001.narod.ru/english/genocide/genocide_1.htm

[Serb]

As for hundreds of thousands, just try to type "Russian exodus from Chechnya" in google.
Not that I expect much from English-speaking sources, but at least it could give you something.
Something like this, for example:

According to Dzhabrail Gakaev, a Russian academician, from the year 1989 to 2002 the Russian population in the Caucasus reduced to 30%, which means by 13 times in Chechnya, by 6.5 times in Ingushetia, and 1.5 times in Dagestan (Komsomolskya pravda, November 18, 2003). According to official statistics, more than 300,000 Russians have left the Caucasus over the last 10 years. Some 260,000 have left Chechnya and Ingushetia, and another 34,000 from Dagestan, North Ossetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, and Karachaevo-Cherkessia combined. (Radio Liberty, June 23, 2002).

The Russian exodus has changed the ethnic composition of the region. Not many Russians now live in Chechnya, which had the biggest Russian population in the Caucasus in Soviet days. In Ingushetia, settlements such as Troitskaya and Ordzhonikidzavskaya (Slepttsovskaya), historically were inhabited by Russian Cossacks. Only the Ingush live there now.

Russians are leaving even Adygeya, the only Caucasian regions where they are still in majority. At least 30% of the Russian population left Adygeya in recent years (RIA-Novosti, May 31). Most of them are moving to the Russian-dominated regions of the North Caucasus, such as Krasnodar krai and Stavropol krai; they do not have enough money to go nearer the Russian heartland.

The Russian exodus has a variety of causes. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Caucasus became the most volatile portion of the Russian Federation. The Chechen Republic proclaimed full independence and two wars ensued. In Dagestan, different ethnic groups started a brutal struggle for power that was rife with criminal violence. In the other regions, clan and family ties began to play a decisive role in politics and in businesses. The Russians were not prepared for such shifting circumstance, and they began to lose ground. In Adygeya, where two-thirds of the population is Russian, ethnic Russians control only 15% of the seats in the local parliament (Radio Liberty, June 23, 2002).

http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=407&issue_id=3371&article_id=2369902

[Serb]

And this link is personally for Darius871:

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/russian_soldier_beated_and_beheaded_by_chechen_rebel_Apr_09_2005.html

Feels better, MF?

[Serb]

Unfortunatelly, the link doesn't work as intended. You should slide through their bloody archive to find the beheading of Russian prisoners in Chechnya.

Just type "Russian soldier beaten and beheaded " in search field of that site and you'll get your bloody video.

http://www.flurl.com/list.php?search=Russian%20soldier%20beaten%20and%20beheaded%20&site_id=39&sm=1

Hope you feels better now, Darius.