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    Busted for wearing a peace T-shirt; has this country gone completely insane?
    By Mike Ferner
    Online Journal Contributing Writer

    Jul 5, 2006, 01:49

    Friday afternoon, drinking a cup of coffee while sitting in the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center on Chicago's south side, a Veterans Administration cop walked up to me and said, "Okay, you've had your 15 minutes, it's time to go."

    "Huh?" I asked intelligently, not quite sure what he was talking about.

    "You can't be in here protesting," Officer Adkins said, pointing to my Veterans For Peace shirt.

    "Well, I'm not protesting, I'm having a cup of coffee," I returned, thinking that logic would convince Adkins to go back to his earlier duties of guarding against serious terrorists.

    Flipping his badge open, he said, "No, not with that shirt. You're protesting and you have to go."

    Beginning to get his drift, I said firmly, "Not before I finish my coffee."

    He insisted that I leave, but still not quite believing my ears, I tried one more approach to reason.

    "Hey, listen. I'm a veteran. This is a V.A. facility. I'm sitting here not talking to anybody, having a cup of coffee. I'm not protesting and you can't kick me out."

    "You'll either go or we'll arrest you," Adkins threatened.

    "Well, you'll just have to arrest me," I said, wondering what strange land I was now living in.

    You know the rest. Handcuffed, led away to the facility's security office, past people with surprised looks on their faces, read my rights, searched, and written up.

    The officer who did the formalities, Eric Ousley, was professional in his duties. When I asked him if he was a vet, it turned out he had been a hospital corpsman in the Navy. We exchanged a couple sea stories. He uncuffed me early. And he allowed as to how he would only charge me with disorderly conduct, letting me go on charges of criminal trespass and weapons possession -- a pocket knife -- which he said would have to be destroyed (something I rather doubt since it was a nifty Swiss Army knife with not only a bottle opener, but a tweezers and a toothpick).

    After informing me I could either pay the $275 fine on the citation or appear in court, Ousley escorted me off the premises, warning me if I returned with "that shirt" on, I'd be arrested and booked into jail.

    I'm sure I could go back to officers Adkins' and Ousleys' fiefdom with a shirt that said, "Nuke all the hajis," or "Show us your tits," or any number of truly obscene things and no one would care. Just so it's not "that shirt" again.

    And just for the record? I'm not paying the fine. I'll see Adkins and Ousley and Dubya's Director of the Dept. of Veterans Affairs, if he wants to show up, in United States District Court on the appointed date. And if there's a Chicago area attorney who'd like to take the case, I'd really like to sue them -- from Dubya on down. I have to believe that this whole country has not yet gone insane, just the government. This kind of behavior can't be tolerated. It must be challenged.

    I was at the Jesse Brown V.A. Medical Center because I'm participating in the Voices for Creative Nonviolence's 30-day, 320-mile "Walk for Justice," from Springfield to North Chicago, Illinois, to reclaim funding for the common good and away from war.
    Mike Ferner served as a Navy corpsman during Vietnam War and is obviously a member of Veterans For Peace. He can be reached at: mike.ferner@sbcglobal.net.

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  • #2
    It looks to me as if it was a protest since he had no other reason to be there. A VA hospital is not the right place for such activities (mild as it was).
    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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    • #3
      Wearing PC/pacifist bull**** in front of people that fought the Nazis
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

      Asher on molly bloom

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      • #4
        If you can wear such t-shirts without being arrested the terrorists won.
        Blah

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        • #5
          He was having coffee. I've known a number of vets who go down the VA just to hang out with other vets.

          In any event, it's clearly an unconstitutional restriction on the 1st Amendment. SCOTUS clearly ruled in favor of the 1st Amendment in Cohen v California.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            So would you say he has good chances that he doesn't have to pay the fine in the end?
            Blah

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            • #7
              Oh, the fine will be tossed by any judge worthy of the position. The problem is he might get a judge appointed by Bush.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                He is a veteran. I think he earned the right to wear a t-shirt. Rent-a-cops who haven't caught Osama yet can go have sex with goats. Goats that have aids.
                In da butt.
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                • #9
                  What if they aren't Kiwi, Pekka?
                  I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                  For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                  • #10
                    He wasn't a rent-a-cop, Pekka. The cop was a vet also.
                    Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                    • #11
                      The first cop was not a veteran, that was the booking cop.

                      Regardless, the VA hospital has every legal right to ask him to leave, regardless of the reason (as long as he's not sick or whatnot). Once he refuses to leave, he is trespassing. It's not about 'protesting' - that of course may have been their reason for it, particularly since there was a protest that he was there to attend ...
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                      • #12
                        Interesting, as probably shouting "Kill all jews" (or wearing a T-Shirt with it) won´t get you arrested
                        (at least it doesn´t get you arrested having Websites with such a content hosted within the USA [which is why many Neonazi organizations get their sites hosted there])

                        I hope the veteran wins the case;
                        if hate speech as the neonazi crap mentioned above is allowed because of the first amendment, but people wearing T-Shirts with Slogans promoting Peace get punished, somethings deadly wrong within the state (or government).

                        btw.
                        a pocket knife is a weapon which has to be destroyed? Sounds a bit strange in a land where, in most states you are allowed to openly carry firearms
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                        • #13
                          BTW, how can we trust this guy's account of the event since he's obviously a liar and was there to attend a protest?
                          I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                          For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                          • #14
                            Wearing PC/pacifist bull**** in front of people that fought the Nazis
                            Actually all WWII veterans that I've had the honour of meeting are strongly anti-war. It's hardly surprising that someone who fought in a conflict with 50 million dead isn't too keen on a repeat performance.

                            Pacifism
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                            • #15
                              Don't we have a Chicago-based lawyer on Poly?
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