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Why? It took no courage to flee into the night. Now if we're talking about people like Muhammad Ali who stayed in the country, I can see giving them a measure of respect for thier stance.Originally posted by Berzerker
If more people followed their lead, we might have fewer "elective" wars... I'd think you'd be a bit more grateful since they sacrificed to oppose what you despised.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Agreeing to fight an illegal immoral war is the wrong thing to do.Originally posted by notyoueither
Why only them?Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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Indeed. Those who helped the NVA end this ****ing war already are also worthy of praise.Originally posted by notyoueither
Why only them?"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Yeah, it takes no courage to leave all your friends and loved ones behind forever and flee to another country.Originally posted by DinoDoc
Why? It took no courage to flee into the night.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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No, it doesn't. It's the coward's way out.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Comment
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QFTOriginally posted by chegitz guevara
"I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
"I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
"I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- DisComment
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Oh, commie circle jerk. Carry on then. Don't let me interrupt.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator RubioComment
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Courage? No.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yeah, it takes no courage to leave all your friends and loved ones behind forever and flee to another country.
It's more like self interest.
Running away from something doesn't take courage, they weren't running away from the war they were running away from prison.
If they had courage- you know heart or spirit, they would have been willing to go to jail for their beliefs.
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Don't try to confuse the issue with half-truths and gorilla dust!Comment
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Che, that is a bull**** statement in it's assumption, at the least.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Agreeing to fight an illegal immoral war is the wrong thing to do.
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Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yeah, it takes no courage to leave all your friends and loved ones behind forever and flee to another country.
Ditto this one. Like saying any other crook that is on the run and leaves home is to be pitied.Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
"Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ BraindeadComment
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On one hand, I understand why people would be upset at this, but on the other hand, if society can honor people courageous enough to enlist and fight for their country, why can't society honor people courageous enough to resist violence?
Sure, the draft dodgers may not be the ideal example of non-violent passive resistence, but they're probably the best Western example, if you're aiming to honour that principle and want to teach the next generation - who wouldn't have a clue who Ghandi is, but will likely know about the dodgers.Comment
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I think that's an over-simplification. If I were an American citizen at the time, I likely would have done it. If my country was making those decisions, and there was another country nearby that disagreed - why should I suffer for my beliefs? Why not simply leave and go somewhere where people agree with me? I don't think that's cowardly - it just makes sense.Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Yeah, it takes no courage to leave all your friends and loved ones behind forever and flee to another country.
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What's courage got to do with it? People who are dying of cancer and carry on have courage, yet there are no monuments to them.
Did the 911 hijackers have courage? Bush called them cowards, but they willingly sacrificed their lives for their cause. Heros in some quarters, despicable killers in the west.
Nations erect monuments to encourage behavior beneficial to the state, or at least its political leadership. That's why there are lots of monuments to soldiers who did as they were ordered, and very few to those killed on the job, or victims of crime, or the disabled, and so on.Comment
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Wrong, Sloww. The sculpture is the work of a group of veterans/draft-dodgers (ie, Americans) who fled to Canada. Neither Canada (the government, I presume you mean) nor Canadians have anything to do with this, its purely an American thing.Originally posted by SlowwHand
How typical. 30 Years and Canada (not all Canadians, Canada) still shoving their nose where it has no place being.
You should also realize that these war resistors are very well respected in this country. Only in the United States are they looked down upon, so this scultpure is a very natural thing.Comment
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