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    From the BBC:

    PAEAN TO A DICTATOR

    It's not often you hear a paean of praise to the Spanish fascist dictator General Franco these days. And you certainly don't expect to hear it in the European Parliament. So members were shocked when Polish MEP Maciej Giertych got to his feet. He was speaking in one of those debates that seem rather pious and pointless, to mark the 70th anniversary of the beginning of the Spanish civil war - full of MEPs condemning a regime that is long dead and buried, already reviled by most.

    Now Mr Giertych is not some marginal figure. He was a presidential candidate and his party is a coalition partner in the Polish government. His son doubles as deputy prime minister and education minister.

    Franco guaranteed the maintenance of traditional values in Europe and we lack such statesmen today
    Maciej Giertych MEP
    This is what Giertych senior said: "Thanks to the Spanish army and Franco the communist attack on Catholic Spain was thwarted. The presence of such people in European politics as Franco guaranteed the maintenance of traditional values in Europe and we lack such statesmen today. Christian Europe is losing against atheistic socialists today and this has to change."

    He says today's assumptions are "historical revision". How do you think the history of Europe would have been different if the elected socialist government and their communist allies had won in Spain?

    SLOVAK NATIONALISM

    The European Parliament is worried about the rise of what they regard as the far right. The Socialist group has suspended the Slovak Social Democrats and probably will kick them out in the autumn because they've gone into coalition with the Slovak National Party, the SNS. Their leader is quoted as saying things like: "Let's all get in tanks and go and flatten Budapest," and, "There's no such thing as Roma, only gypsies who steal, rob and plunder."

    And the Polish MEP thought they didn't make statesmen like that any more.


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    The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power.

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    • #3
      The funniest is that these people are currently in power in their respective countries. You can bet that the Gypsies will suffer quite a bit in Slovakia, and that gay-harassment will continue to be ignored (and occasionally condoned) in Poland
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      • #4
        Really?
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        • #5
          Well, not these people specifically, but their parties belong to the ruling coalitions. The Slovak quote comes from the leader of said party.

          And the Franco-apologist isn't the average member of his party either, but a former candidate to the presidential election.
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          • #6
            Re: Yay European fascism!

            European fascism means we have to save your asses again

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            • #7
              Read up on the current governments in Poland,belarus and Croatia.Yes ladies and gentlemen Fascism is also being bred in the former Soviet Union big time...its only a matter of time. Serouisly.

              Poland meets all the qualifications of a Theocratic Fascist state. Even the United States is getting dangerously closer to the defination. But it will never happen here. If this were Hearts of Iron, president Bush has pushed our slider 3 notches over. In his 6 years in office.


              I for one welcome the rising tide of Fascism in the west!

              I think the world is getting a bit overcrowded.

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              • #8
                It's stunning that a Pole regards Communism as more dangerous than Fascism. Not really, but anyway...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by notyoueither
                  It's stunning that a Pole regards Communism as more dangerous than Fascism. Not really, but anyway...
                  Yeah, cause fascism did so much for them. I mean, 3 million poles dead, 95% of Warsaw levelled or more...and lets not forget the lovely death camps.

                  BUt of course the Polish government in 1939 was a right wing authoritarian regime already, so I guess there was a pre-existing affinity towards the right....
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                  • #10
                    It's kind of ironic that "New Europe" seems to hanker a lot more after traditional values than "Old Europe".
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GePap
                      Yeah, cause fascism did so much for them. I mean, 3 million poles dead, 95% of Warsaw levelled or more...and lets not forget the lovely death camps.

                      BUt of course the Polish government in 1939 was a right wing authoritarian regime already, so I guess there was a pre-existing affinity towards the right....
                      And they enjoyed seven shades of joy from 1944-89?

                      "Better dead than red" might have some meaning for some people that you or I have a hard time understanding.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by notyoueither


                        And they enjoyed seven shades of joy from 1944-89?
                        No. BUt there is still a Poland. It might have been otherwise.

                        "Better dead than red" might have some meaning for some people that you or I have a hard time understanding.
                        They could have all committed suicide. They didn't.
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                        • #13
                          Really insightful post, GePap.

                          They could have commited suicide...

                          Good answer.
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                          • #14
                            this is harmless. The support fascism gets from such politicians stems entirely from their visceral hatred of communism. The fundamentals of fascism itself are not going to be adopted by such people.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GePap


                              No. BUt there is still a Poland. It might have been otherwise.



                              They could have all committed suicide. They didn't.
                              "Better red than dead" zealots would be more likely to contrive way that their deaths (or more properly risking of their lives) would be most useful for overthrowing the communist regime. Quite a few did just that.

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