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  • #31
    Oh Jon you're so nice thanks you're not KH.

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    • #32
      KH is good, he goes takes the time to explain things neatly and succinctly. (and completely)

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      • #33
        and sarcastically!
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        • #34
          And insultingly. But he isn't around, so we're stopping this until he show up.

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          • #35
            Seriously though, why does light travel slower in a material? Lorizael's photon colliding explanation makes no sense. What's the real one? How does the epsilon-r gets into the Maxwell equations?


            Let e be epsilon and m be mu for the spatially and temporally uniform medium, and ' denotes time derivitives:

            Take the curl equations without any free charge or current (i.e. it's all bound in the polarization and magnetization of the material):

            curl(E) = -mH'
            curl(H) = eE'

            Take the curl of the second:
            curl(curl(H)) = e*curl(E') = e*[curl(E)]'

            But curl(curl(H)) = -laplacian(H) + grad(div(H)) = -laplacian(H) since div(H) = 0

            Substituting in the first equation, therefore, laplacian(H) = emH''

            And the same thing with E if you curl the first equation and substitute in the second.

            Therfore, the speed of light is sqrt(1/(em))

            Edit: I'm assuming that the material is linear (i.e. polarization and magnetization are linearly related to the electric and magentic fields respectively), but the same basic idea (albeit a somewhat less elegant dependence) should hold for nonlinear materials. Dealing with nonlinear materials is messy.
            Last edited by Ramo; July 3, 2006, 17:23.
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