Breaking news on MSNBC: "Radical Black Muslims Busted in Terror Plot

[Arrian]

Canadians getting hysterical? What, you're going to write a letter?

-Arrian

[Japher]

round up all the Muslims!

but only the black ones
and the milato ones just in case

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Sikander
They seem to be some wierd cult that blends Islam and Christianity (gods help us!). If they were included in the Illuminati game I think they would count toward the Discordian victory condition.

I never seem to get them. I always draw the Gnomes and a hundred and fifty megabucks is a lot of money!

[Q Classic]

Originally posted by Arrian
Canadians getting hysterical? What, you're going to write a letter?

-Arrian

A strongly worded letter? 'ey, what's that all aboot?!

[The Emperor Fabulous]

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1207412,00.html

The Miami Seven: How Serious Was the Threat?

The group indicted for terror plans appears to have had more in common with homegrown cults than al-Qaeda terrorists. Which doesn't mean they weren't dangerous
By TONY KARON

The Federal government has indicted seven men arrested in Miami on charges of conspiring with al-Qaeda to conduct terror attacks inside the U.S. Among the ostensible targets named in the indictment was Chicago's Sears Tower. But was this a credible terror conspiracy? As the story unfolds, here are four skeptical questions worth pondering.

Was this an al-Qaeda-linked plot, or were these men simply wannabes?

From initial reports and the contents of the indictment, the latter seems most likely. The arrested men appear to be part of a cult organization proclaiming itself to be Muslim — although a member of the same religious group says it is, in fact, based on a homebrew of Islam and Christianity, and calls itself "Seas of David." Its members, mainly Americans and Haitan immigrants, clearly have an enthusiasm for emulating and following al-Qaeda. But their only "connection" with al-Qaeda appears to have been the fact that a government informant who had infiltrated their ranks had apparently convinced the alleged conspirators that he was, in fact, a Qaeda operative. The oaths of allegiance to the organization alleged by the indictment to have been taken by the accused were administered not by any representative of the organization, but to a U.S. government agent posing as a Qaeda operative.

Were they behaving as professional terrorists?

No, at least not according to the initial flood of reports that portayed them as strutting around a poor black neighborhood in military-style uniforms, wearing turbans, standing guard around the abandoned warehouse in which they lived and conducting late-night exercise drills, while telling neighbors that they had "given their lives to Allah." The basic habit of trained terrorists is secrecy and stealth; they do their utmost to fit in with their surroundings rather than stand out. The Miami seven, according to reports thus far, seemed to have been doing the exact opposite, behaving more like a Hollywood B-movie version of terrorists than the real thing.

Can amateurs and wannabes pose a real terror threat?

Yes, very much so. The London bombings last summer were carried out by a self-taught group of British-born men who had no direct connection with al-Qaeda, yet sought to emulate it. But that grouping, perhaps having learned from the Qaeda terror manuals widely available on jihadist web sites, seem to have observed many of the same principles of secrecy that a group like the 9/11 plotters would have . Friends, family and neighbors were shocked to learn that young men in their midst who seemed no different from any others turned out to be terrorists. The extent of the danger represented by such groups depends on their capacities: Are they able to operate undetected? Do they have the means to carry out attacks? Do they have workable plans for such attacks?

Was this really a plot?

The indictment accuses the men of plotting to blow up FBI offices and the Sears tower. They apparently gave the government informant, whom they believed was their Qaeda contact, photographs of FBI and other law enforcement facilities in Florida, indicating that they had done some surveillance. The indictment refers to a desire by the group's leader to attack the Sears tower, and a request for a video camera in order to conduct surveillance mission to that end, although it doesn not suggest such a mission actually took place. From the indictment it is clear that the men had no shortage of ambition, asking for al-Qaeda training to wage a "full ground war" to "kill all the devils we can." To his end, the group asked the undercover agent for a wish-list of equipment that included boots, uniforms, machine guns, bullet-proof vests, radios and vehicles — as well as $50,000 in cash. The group's leader also provided the government agent with "a list of shoe sizes for the purchase of military boots for his 'soldiers'." The idea that these seven men could wage a "ground war" in the U.S. seems to have more in common with the fevered thinking behind various deadly cults over the years than with the operations of international terror networks.

Fevered minds can be very dangerous, of course. But the threat they present is quite different from that of transnational terror groups. After all, the government appears to have had no problem infiltrating and exposing this group, which was hardly making itself inconspicuous or impregnable — unlike the New York subway plot reported in TIME this week, whose perpetrators slipped into the U.S., conducted their surveillance, prepared the operational details of poison gas attacks, then aborted them on instructions from al-Qaeda leaders and departed America, all with U.S. security none the wiser.

Uniformed Terrorists. If only it were that easy.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Lancer


These fellas weren't going to use planes. Apparently explosives but it was just in the planning stage. Still, there were arrests in Miami and Chicago.

You mean Miami and Atlanta. No one of them went to Chicago.

[Q Classic]

I'm trying to give a **** here.

Really.

Am I supposed to be cowed into supporting the government for capturing amateur hour terrorists here?

Or am I supposed to be cowed into following their twisted version of Allah?

[SlowwHand]

Watch it now. Che is an admirer of Bobby Seale and Angela Davis.
I know. Stupid, but....

[Lancer]

Don't worry, Che, though we all him dearly, couldn't blow up a balloon.

[snoopy369]

Hollywood b-movie terrorists

[Sava]

sexual chocolate!

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Arrian
Canadians getting hysterical? What, you're going to write a letter?

-Arrian

No, we'll have hearings in Parliament where twits will go on at length that this incident proves that America is not capable of dealing with security and therefore we should pile on red tape and security at our border.

[Wezil]

Originally posted by notyoueither


No, we'll have hearings in Parliament where twits will go on at length that this incident proves that America is not capable of dealing with security and therefore we should pile on red tape and security at our border.

Kontiki already tried NYE - they missed it

[Dinner]

Reportedly these jokers didn't even have the money to pay for a rental car. How were do they gong to come up with $25,000 to pay for explosives even if they could have found someone to sell them to them?

[DinoDoc]

What's a professional terrorist? How much do they get paid?