Muslims protest a positive depiction of their Prophet

[Al B. Sure!]

Mughal Empire

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by aneeshm
I told you already - Hindus , Buddhists , Jains , Sikhs , Parsees , and others of this type are welcome , and that too for historic and humaniatarian reasons .

Just not the dirty Muslims.

At least they eat cows. Jeez.

[Berzerker]

I like the line from South Park where Garrison tells the children its a sin to portray the image of Mohammed. Stan (or Kyle) says, no it isn't, its a sin for Muslims to portray the image of Mohammed

religious fanatics

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by aneeshm
I told you already - Hindus , Buddhists , Jains , Sikhs , Parsees , and others of this type are welcome , and that too for historic and humaniatarian reasons .

Then why is this based on religious affiliations? If you want to be humanitarian why don't you posit an "Open Door" policy for refugees?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by aneeshm


... but I am against Islam as defined by the Quran and Hadith .

I'm not quite sure how else you'd expect Islam to be defined.

After all, it does appear to spring originally from the Qu'ran (as the supposed transcription of the word of god), rather than say, Whittaker's Almanac or the Yellow Pages of 1975....


I believe the problem you have is with how it is interpreted and implemented and with the people doing the implementing and interpreting.

Glad to see Molly Bloom was finally released after assaulting the Danish pastries factory

Datajack Franit

Just can't let it go, can you ? Like the dog chained to its vomit, as Samuel Beckett would say.


I notice that neither your brain implant nor your sense of humour are working.

Have you considered cryogenics in the hope they can be fixed by advances in medical science somewhere in your dim and distant future ?

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Then why is this based on religious affiliations? If you want to be humanitarian why don't you posit an "Open Door" policy for refugees?

We should have a policy for refugees , but that does not have any historic associations . For example , the Tibetan Buddhists , driven out by the modern-day barbarians of China , have found a refuge in India .

[aneeshm]

Originally posted by molly bloom



I'm not quite sure how else you'd expect Islam to be defined.

After all, it does appear to spring originally from the Qu'ran (as the supposed transcription of the word of god), rather than say, Whittaker's Almanac or the Yellow Pages of 1975....


I believe the problem you have is with how it is interpreted and implemented and with the people doing the implementing and interpreting.

The problem is , those who interpret it in a reatrded fundie manner are actually given that authority by the Quran itself ( and this is not their interpretation , it is something you can see as self-obvious if you read the Quran and the Hadis ) !

[DaShi]

They've found limited refuge in India.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by aneeshm


The problem is , those who interpret it in a reatrded fundie manner are actually given that authority by the Quran itself ( and this is not their interpretation , it is something you can see as self-obvious if you read the Quran and the Hadis ) !

Any fundamentalist of any religious creed can usually quote chapter and verse from their holy books to justify whatever action they take.

That, I thought, was the point of beliefs founded on 'the supernatural'.....

Radical Hindus want to build a temple to the god Ram on the ruins of a mosque, which they say marks his birthplace.

The demolition of the mosque nine years ago sparked communal riots in which about 2,000 people died.



The move by the hardline Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) to force their way into the disputed Ayodhya site was not an isolated incident.

The group has been involved in similar campaigns in the past.

Earlier this year, it called for the storming of one of India's landmark tourist attractions - the Qutab Minar in Delhi - and for the takeover of the Quwwatul Islam mosque.

Their argument was that the 12th century mosque was built using materials and masonry from the remains of a Hindu temple.

The attempt was foiled by the police.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1760526.stm

and:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1607035.stm

Were any of these 'radical Hindus' around when the god Ram was supposedly born ? Any of them have his divine passport or birth certificate ?


Peaceful Hindus:

Another VHP leader connected with the campaign was targeted in a similar attack last year but with a more sophisticated device.

However, police say their initial suspicion is that the latest attack may have less to do with the Ayodhya issue than with local disputes over temple property that flare up from time to time.

"Such infightings are rather common amongst the holy men in this temple town," Ayodhya district magistrate Archana Agarwal said.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1355479.stm

Peace and love man, yeahhh...

[Fake Boris]

Aneeshm, you do realize that my parents (who aren't even 50 years old) had to learn by heart things similar to the Saudi textbook, except you replace Muslim with Catholic?

I blame it on their whiteness.

[Datajack Franit]

Originally posted by molly bloom
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Just can't let it go, can you ? Like the dog chained to its vomit, as Samuel Beckett would say.


I notice that neither your brain implant nor your sense of humour are working.

Have you considered cryogenics in the hope they can be fixed by advances in medical science somewhere in your dim and distant future ?

Oh dear, dear. Here it goes again, the pseudo-intellectual crap


I should write down a Molly Bloom-like post as well





Oh isn't that nice? It has nothing to do with the current thread, yet posting this **** on the Internet keeps myself satisfied enough, away from my working place/private life-paranoid delusions. Please write something more about Islam, so I can avoid answering any kind of specific question by linking even more crap from my MySpace gallery.

[Fake Boris]

Or on Christianty, depending on my mood.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit



Oh dear, dear. Here it goes again, the pseudo-intellectual crap


I should write down a Molly Bloom-like post as well

No dear, you'd need a real sense of humour to do that, as opposed to this inability of yours to understand that I'm an ATHEIST and don't favour any religion.

Poor Datajack- nothing to say, and with so many opportunities to say it, over and over and over and over again....


Hence the reference to the dog returning to its vomit.

In any case, I fail to see what's pseudo-intellectual about referring to a writer I've read in depth and whose work I've seen performed and have acted in.


Do you consider anything beyond remedial class intellectual, then ?

Poor you, if so.

I don't have a MySpace gallery, and I would have thought a picture of a Gandharan buddha was particularly appropriate for a thread where aneeshm YET AGAIN indulges in some Islam-bashing.

After all, Hinduism is so peaceful, so benign, it even has a warrior caste.

Presumably they were the ones who killed their opponents with kindness...


And who knew you were interested in art from the Pacific North-West.

Me, I like Bill Reid's work.

[Datajack Franit]

I'm actually interested in THIS

As my career concerns such things, and btw I never felt the need of posting pictures of Roman Art (or Etruscan Art, for the picky/very bored ones) in a damn discussion about Islam.

Still, an Atheist defending Islam really shouldn't move away from his/her grocery working place. If you have this unbearable need of sharing your internet gallery with the rest of the world, start a thread about it. Period.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Datajack Franit



I'm actually interested in THIS

As my career concerns such things, and btw I never felt the need of posting pictures of Roman Art (or Etruscan Art, for the picky/very bored ones) in a damn discussion about Islam.

And why would you, since Etruscan and Roman art (outside of Africa and the Middle East) have so little to do with Islam ?

Of course the Ummayyads were quite fond of secular Hellenic art, as demonstrated by the remains of their hunting lodges in Syria and Jordan- even pictures of naked ladies, oh my.

Still, an Atheist defending Islam really shouldn't move away from his/her grocery working place.

I've no idea what this means. I'm not defending Islam, in any sense, just happy to try to balance aneeshm's distortions.

If you have this unbearable need of sharing your internet gallery with the rest of the world, start a thread about it. Period

Oh dear, getting snippy are we ? Can dish it out but can't take it like a man ?


Look, perhaps the reference to Gandharan art was a bit too, oh, how would you put it ? 'Pseudo-intellectual' for you, but I'll put it in a context you can immediately grasp without straining those obviously over-taxed grey cells of yours too much.

The Buddha was a prince from the Indian sub-continent. He created a philosophy of non-violence:

"Victory creates hatred. Defeat creates suffering. The wise ones desire neither victory nor defeat... Anger creates anger... He who kills will be killed. He who wins will be defeated... Revenge can only be overcome by abandoning revenge... The wise seek neither victory nor defeat."

The Gandharan civilization was a product of an IMMIGRANT Hellenistic culture meeting an Indian culture.

The statue of the buddha is of Gandharan origin. Thus, as it refers to a philosophy of non-violence, a hybrid Graeco-Indian culture and a person born on the Indian sub-continent it is quite relevant to a discussion touching on religion, violence, India, immigrants to India, interepretation of religion, et cetera.

Enlighten yourself, why don't you ?

The Hellenistic influence was nowhere more dramatic than in Gandhara, a term now used to describe the school of semi-classical sculptures of Pakistan and Afghanistan in the early centuries of our era. Gandhara is the name of an ancient province and kingdom, which in classical times, was limited to a small region in ancient India. The province Gandhara included roughly northwestern India between the Khyber Pass and the Indus River and the region of the Kabul Valley in Afghanistan. However, art and architecture from the Gandharan School had been found as far north as the Oxus River found in the Punjab.

Rejoined to India under the Maurya Dynasty, the Gandhara province became the object of intense missionary activity by the Buddhist emperor Asoka (reigned c. 273-232 BCE). He made Buddhism the state religion, enforced the Buddhist doctrine of nonviolence (ahimsa) and prohibited animal sacrifices.

http://www.silkroadfoundation.org/artl/gandhara.shtml

Now quit with the seriously unfunny remarks about me burning down Danish embassies and suchlike. They just make you look like a horse's arse.