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    So, why exactly do they hate each other so vehemently, at least in Iraq? Everything I've read indicates the following differences between them:

    1. A disagreement over which bloodline should inherit the Caliphate; now irrelevant, as there hasn't been a Caliph for either sect in centuries. And I don't think there's going to be one anytime soon either.

    2. Various minor ceremonial differences, interpretations of dietary law, etc., which also vary widely within each sect itself depending on local practice.

    Even the silliest and most trivial things I've heard of other religions killing each other for have some theological import. Which is not to say that I approve of religious violence in any case, but I can at least comprehend how people might get upset over, say, a disagreement over which parts of the Koran were canon or something. As it is, this sounds like a thousand-odd-year vendetta based on bureaucratic procedures.

    Or is it primarily ethnic, rather than religious? That is, are the Sunnis and Shi'ites typically members of ethnically distinct groups with widely varying customs? In that case, it could be that the religious difference, minor as it is, became a label for the general concept of "dirty foreigner." Or it could just be sustained by a lot of old unpaid blood-prices and ancient grudges. Any guesses, or better yet, clear knowledge of the subject?
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      Sympathy post.

      Ingrid nailed it on the head on the first try...
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        religion + power wannabees and you have the nice pic that Ingrid supplied.
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          I think Ingrad has pretty much said everything to be said on the topic.....

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            Sunni and Shi'ite
            The two possible states of British weather...
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              Originally posted by Provost Harrison


              The two possible states of British weather...

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                You have a situation in which one group, the Sunnis, suppressed the political rights of the other, the Shiites, for a half century. It all started with Britain's insane jobs program for minor Saudi Arabian princes. Britain (with the help of the French) relocated Saudi nobility after WW1 by placing them on the thrones of Syria and Iraq, in order to secure peace in Arabia. In Iraq the Sunni royalty naturally favored their own co-religionists when it came to positions within the military and the government, so when the royalty were overthrown the Sunnis were positioned to take power. It is logocal to assume that inorder to maintain such a monstrous crime, i.e. the repression of the majority sect, for such a long time the repressors must have invented rationalisations for doing so. My guess is that if any of us really knew anything about Iraqi culture we'd be aware of the deep irrational prejudices that surely must have developed over the past half century. From what I've heard it appears that many Sunnis do not accept the idea that the Shia are the real majority in Iraq. I'm sure that there are other naked lies wandering around the culture as well. Before peace prevails someone is going to have to go in and take out those lies. It's either that or follow the dictates of my sig quote.
                "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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