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    Southern Baptists are extremists of Protestant religion.
    Just my perception.

    By TIM WHITMIRE, Associated Press Writer
    23 minutes ago



    GREENSBORO, N.C. - Leaders of the Southern Baptist Convention refused Wednesday to support a resolution urging the denomination to form a strategy for removing children from public schools in favor of home schooling or education at private schools.


    The "exit strategy" proposal, offered by Roger Moran of Troy, Mo., and Texas author Bruce Shortt, came as many Southern Baptists are concerned about how classrooms are handling subjects such as homosexuality and "intelligent design."

    But the SBC's resolutions committee instead called on members to "engage the culture of our public school systems" by exerting "godly influence," declining to put the proposal from Moran and Shortt before delegates to the SBC's annual meeting.

    The committee instead forwarded a more moderate resolution titled "On Engaging the Direction of the Public School System," which was to be debated Wednesday evening at the final session of the denomination's annual meeting.

    On Tuesday, the SBC elected a new president, the Rev. Frank Page. The 53-year-old pastor at First Baptist Church in Taylors, S.C., was supported primarily by younger pastors and others who felt marginalized by an older generation that led a conservative takeover of the denomination in the 1970s and 1980s.

    The public schools issue has been simmering for several years. A resolution similar to Moran's, offered two years ago at the annual meeting, did not pass. Delegates at last year's annual meeting passed a resolution urging parents and churches to "to exercise their rights to investigate diligently the curricula, textbooks, and programs in our community schools."

    "We are commanded biblically to train our children in the nurture of the Lord," said Moran, who sits on the SBC's executive committee. "The public schools are no longer allowed ... to even acknowledge the God of the Bible."

    Moran, who owns a company that makes construction supplies, is a father of nine children, ages 18 months to 18 years. All have been home-schooled or attended Christian schools, he said.

    The proposal from Moran and Shortt, author of "The Harsh Truth About Public Schools," complains that curricula teaching that "the homosexual lifestyle is acceptable" are being implemented in public schools. It also criticizes a federal court ruling last year that banned a Pennsylvania school system's classroom mention of "intelligent design" — the notion that life is so complex it must have been created by a higher intelligence.

    The resolution approved by the SBC committee mentions the Pennsylvania decision, but also goes out of its way to "affirm the hundreds of thousands of Christian men and women who teach in our public schools."

    Also Wednesday, the SBC unofficially barred members who drink alcohol from serving as trustees or members of any SBC entity.

    The ban, part of a larger anti-alcohol resolution that was easily approved by delegates, was proposed by Jim Richards, executive director of the Southern Baptists of Texas Convention. While stopping short of officially preventing drinkers from serving, it "urges" that no one be elected or appointed to SBC offices if they are "a user of alcohol."

    "Use of alcohol as a beverage can and does impede the message of Jesus Christ" that Southern Baptists are trying to spread, Richards said.
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    Southern Baptists are extremists of Protestant religion.
    Just my perception.
    Your skills of perception dazzle even me.
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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    • #3
      I wish their resolution would pass so they'd stop trying to water down the public schools' science curriculum with crap like intelligent design. Good riddance.
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        THINK OF THE CHILDREN, Loinburger!

        -Arrian
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Arrian
          THINK OF THE CHILDREN, Loinburger!

          -Arrian
          The only bad part about this is that it would create a underclass of religious loonies who have no exposure to other ideas except in the "other ideas are bad lolz" context. See: Phelps Clan.
          Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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          • #6
            Baptists
            Public schools

            Homeschooling
            Homeschooling by fundies
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            • #7
              Swear to god, CSNY's "Teach Your Children Well" popped onto Winamp the second I clicked this thread... creepy.
              Unbelievable!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lonestar


                The only bad part about this is that it would create a underclass of religious loonies who have no exposure to other ideas except in the "other ideas are bad lolz" context. See: Phelps Clan.
                Precisely my point.

                -Arrian
                grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                • #9
                  Hmmm... yeah, I really have to wonder. Is it better that we force their new generation to have exposure to a real eductation, or is it better to remove the pressure from the crazies on the school system.

                  Though... now that I think about it, the Baptists kids aren't all brainwashed, it's the parents that are the problem. Given that kids can sometimes be very rebellious against their parents' ideas, keeping them in a place where they have an opportunity to interact with the real world is probably a good thing.
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                  • #10
                    Playful tried home schooling with 2 youngest. It was an utter failure.
                    Success with this method isn't universal. It depends on the child and the ability of the parent to keep the child focused.
                    Another aspect of it, Southern Baptists would teach their reality only, the same as a private school.

                    Lonestar, I said "my perception" because it is MY perception. Not all here know of the differences in Southern Baptist vs. Baptist; and to a Southern Baptist, my perception clashes totally with their perception.
                    My comment meant more than you gave credit.
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                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      Re: Baptists to weigh public-school exit plan

                      Originally posted by SlowwHand
                      Southern Baptists are extremists of Protestant religion.


                      The ironic thing about Southern Baptist Protestantism is that it's Church-centric rather than Bible-centric. This is precisely the sort of thing that Martin Luther rebelled against.:P
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                      • #12
                        Sloww....can we get a link?

                        Incidently, I was born a Southern Baptist, and I'll probably die a Southern Baptist...I just have some very unSBC views (especially with regards to church and state and evolution)
                        Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                        • #13
                          Here's one link. It's a battle within.

                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Thanks.
                            Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Victor Galis
                              Hmmm... yeah, I really have to wonder. Is it better that we force their new generation to have exposure to a real eductation, or is it better to remove the pressure from the crazies on the school system.
                              There's nothing stopping fundies from deprogramming their young'uns after a day of learning about homosexuality and Darwinism at public schools. Similarly, I read of a man in Canada who opted to send his kid to Catholic school because, in general, the curriculum and teaching pace (much faster than the public school) was better for the child; he just has to try to negate the Catholic lessons at day's end because he doesn't believe in them. So, no matter what the kid is exposed to during the day, the parents can mitigate those influences at home after school. So "forcing" kids to learn about natural selection, et al, doesn't necessarily mean it'll stick.

                              I say let them leave. If fundie migration means less pressure on public schools to adhere to Scripture, great. The ignorance of a small percentage of kids is a small price to pay.

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