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**Lonestar** · February 21, 2007, 20:11

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Show a canon instance of even a single trial happening.

I can show you when Speedball was taken to trial?(shot on the way...whoops)

I also kinda think Osborn being put in charge of enforcing the Act gives rise to all kinds of questions of how just it is.

Osborn runs the Thunderbolts, and I fail to see how he is a "worse" person than Baron Zemo was. Not exactly earth-shattering **** there. (And Stark enforces it, as the new head of SHIELD)

**DinoDoc** · February 21, 2007, 20:16

Originally posted by Lonestar
I can show you when Speedball was taken to trial?(shot on the way...whoops)

Speedball wasn't taken to trial. He was on his way to testify before Congress. He was shot on the way there. Somehow I'm not sure if that qualifies as a trial.

Osborn runs the Thunderbolts, and I fail to see how he is a "worse" person than Baron Zemo was. Not exactly earth-shattering **** there.

Who pisses off Peter more? Osborn or Zemo?

**Lonestar** · February 21, 2007, 20:20

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Speedball wasn't taken to trial. He was on his way to testify before Congress. He was shot on the way there. Somehow I'm not sure if that qualifies as a trial.

I would throw in that there are several legal references to "cutting deals" throughout the series, obviously there is an expectation of a trial at some point.

Who pisses off Peter more? Osborn or Zemo?

Osborn runs the Thunderbolts, and I fail to see how he is a "worse" person than Baron Zemo was.

**DinoDoc** · February 21, 2007, 20:32

Originally posted by Lonestar
I would throw in that there are several legal references to "cutting deals" throughout the series, obviously there is an expectation of a trial at some point.

As I said no trial. The deal seems to be essentially do as we say and we'll let you out of the Negative Zone. I've seen not even a passing mention of a trial even in Frontline. It's also curious that this "deal" absolves long litanies of crimes of villains as well (Morbius, Osborn, etc.) so I don't think this deal refers to any preparations for a trial.

Re point 2: You still haven't said how he puts the best face on the act.

**OzzyKP** · February 21, 2007, 22:58

I take it a new issue is out. I'll have to pick it up.

**MRT144** · February 22, 2007, 01:09

612 people? THATS IT?!?! omg, more people died from a hurricane. Should we create a hurricane registration act? Weather: CIVIL WAR!

I find the plot idiotic.

other qualms with comics

nitro kills captain marvel with CANCER!?!?! WTF! Will Ironman and Spiderman die of AIDS yet? ****ING HOMOS!

MUTANT GROWTH HORMONE!?!?! WHAT WILL MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL DO? I MEAN MARVEL!

How on god's green earth is the punisher involved with the superhero's realm. The dude is a creep with a van and would presumably rape to get answers. how would he even have children. hes a wall of uncaring death.

more importantly this shows you just how many stupid, idiotic, ill conceived characters marvel has.

great lakes champions. Ive had abooot enough of this!
HOWARD THE DUCK MAKES AN APPEARANCE! WHY!

**OzzyKP** · February 22, 2007, 09:00

Originally posted by MRT144
612 people? THATS IT?!?! omg, more people died from a hurricane. Should we create a hurricane registration act? Weather: CIVIL WAR!

I find the plot idiotic.

The plot is quite realistic. We lost what, 3,000 people on 9-11 and we invaded two countries. You don't think we'd pass some kind of registration act if 612 children were killed?

****, there has been like 1 or 2 sexual assaults from MySpace (not even deaths) and there is already a slew of legislation trying to create more bans and restrictions on it.

The plot is excellent.

**MRT144** · February 22, 2007, 12:22

americans are such wusses

**Lonestar** · February 22, 2007, 16:32

Originally posted by DinoDoc
As I said no trial.

Har har. But there are implications(In Frontline and She-hulk at least) that there is at least an expectation of trials.

The deal seems to be essentially do as we say and we'll let you out of the Negative Zone.

"Wah! Wah! How dare the mean ole government demand that a buncha costumed loonies obey the law!

I've seen not even a passing mention of a trial even in Frontline. It's also curious that this "deal" absolves long litanies of crimes of villains as well (Morbius, Osborn, etc.) so I don't think this deal refers to any preparations for a trial.

No more than it did with the "Old" Thunderbolts, I suppose. And Colorado specifically asked for the Thunderbolts to be "their" team in Regards to Iron Man's "Secure the Country" initiative.

Re point 2: You still haven't said how he puts the best face on the act.

Osborn isn't the face of the Act, Iron Man is. Spider-man, of course, is a massive douche for switching sides in a public manner.

**DinoDoc** · February 22, 2007, 16:51

Originally posted by Lonestar
Har har. But there are implications(In Frontline and She-hulk at least) that there is at least an expectation of trials.

I'm still waiting for even a small hint of an upcoming trial. I've read most of Frontline so far and seen nothing to support your point.

"Wah! Wah! How dare the mean ole government demand that a buncha costumed loonies obey the law!

When the law is unjust and born of a kneejerk reaction, why should they obey it?

No more than it did with the "Old" Thunderbolts, I suppose.

The old T'bolts at least expressed the desire for redemption (minus the Moonstone exception of course

). Where's the desire to change in Bullseye, the new Venom, and Norman Osborn? We've already seen how easily the nanite control can be bypassed, so where is the sanity in making deals with such people?

Osborn isn't the face of the Act, Iron Man is.

Again, how much trust should a superhero have in the motives of people who make deals with his enemies to enforce the law? Look at the carnage Venom caused when the T'bolts came to recruit him. This reminds me of Operation: Zero Tolerance.

Spider-man, of course, is a massive douche for switching sides in a public manner.

Flip-flopper!

**Tattila the Hun** · February 22, 2007, 17:21

Originally posted by MRT144

How on god's green earth is the punisher involved with the superhero's realm. The dude is a creep with a van and would presumably rape to get answers. how would he even have children. hes a wall of uncaring death.

more importantly this shows you just how many stupid, idiotic, ill conceived characters marvel has.

great lakes champions. Ive had abooot enough of this!
HOWARD THE DUCK MAKES AN APPEARANCE! WHY!

Punisher had a family, wife, kids. He is a wall of uncaring death because they were butchered in front of his eyes.

And Howard is a Marvel character. Of course he needs to register. Or so he thought.

**Lonestar** · February 22, 2007, 17:29

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I'm still waiting for even a small hint of an upcoming trial. I've read most of Frontline so far and seen nothing to support your point.

alright, can you prove that the whole plan is to hold them without trial?

When the law is unjust

How is it unjust?

and born of a kneejerk reaction,

Read "The road to Civil War" if you think it came out of nowhere

why should they obey it?

Because it's the law. God forbid the guys who try to fight lawbreakers obey the law themselves.

The old T'bolts at least expressed the desire for redemption (minus the Moonstone exception of course

). Where's the desire to change in Bullseye, the new Venom, and Norman Osborn? We've already seen how easily the nanite control can be bypassed, so where is the sanity in making deals with such people?

I'll guess we'll have to see what happens in the new T-Bolts series, huh?

Again, how much trust should a superhero have in the motives of people who make deals with his enemies to enforce the law?

I'm looking at the law itself, which is just.

Look at the carnage Venom caused when the T'bolts came to recruit him. This reminds me of Operation: Zero Tolerance.

slaughtering muties by the thousands, are we?

Flip-flopper!

loner with messiah-complex.

**OzzyKP** · February 22, 2007, 17:39

Ok, I picked up a few new issues. I'm glad they are trying to make some lasting effects from this, but it looks like it'll just all be rolled back in a few months...

**spoiler**

As hinted to in Frontline this is all just an evil plot by Ironman to make money, and no doubt to take over SHIELD. Bleh... we'll have this initiative stuff for a bit, and then Stark's sinister plot will be revealed and everything will go back to how it was.

They started off so good too... The black & white world of comic books was upended with this Civil War series in which there is no clear right and wrong. There are good people and good arguments on both sides. They unravel all of that if they go with this Ironman plot thing. Grrr.

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