Breaking News: Abu Musab Killed In Iraq ...

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Brundlefly
What do you think will be an appropriate burial for a guy who personally beheaded two people and was responsible for the beheadings of at least a dozen others?

I doubt there will be much to bury - quite how they got fingerprints from the remains, I am quite curious...did they manage to find a hand or some fingers somewhere in the debris? That was quick...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Brundlefly
What do you think will be an appropriate burial for a guy who personally beheaded two people and was responsible for the beheadings of at least a dozen others?

Let him be buried as Islamic custom dictates. He's dead, so it makes no difference to us or him, but no need to give anybody any propaganda opportunities by defiling the corpse or disrespecting Islam.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


I doubt there will be much to bury - quite how they got fingerprints from the remains, I am quite curious...did they manage to find a hand or some fingers somewhere in the debris? That was quick...

He was likely pretty intact. Most of the explosive force goes into flattening the building.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Geronimo
I wonder if this will make it at least a little easier for the occupiers to withdraw without triggering a collapse into deeper anarchy.

Perhaps if the leadership of the insurgency can be destabilized enough immediately prior to a withdrawl of the foreign occupiers the combined effect of losses of leadership with loss of it's popular justification would take the wind out of the sails of the insurgencies?

Have you ever pissed into a wasps' nest before? It doesn't tend to stop them...

[techumseh]

I've read a couple of articles suggesting that al Queda was opposed by some of the main line resistance groups. Do you think his death and the posssible reduction in al Queda's role might contribute to the unity of the remaining insurgency?

[Arrian]

Only to the extent that "the insurgency" is solely either Sunni or Shiite.

-Arrian

[Sava]

Originally posted by Lorizael
Smooth transition into talking about yourself, Sava.

Heh... I'm not sure how to perceive this comment... whether you intend it as sarcasm or not. But essentially, my point is simple: the internet is (more) anonymous and the great equalizer. You can craft your post any way you like. You can use perfect grammar, spelling and sentence structure... or ZOMFG YOU CAN USE ALL CAPS AND l337 Sp34k 4ND LOL SMILEYS

Most people don't take the opportunity to be patient and think about what they put in their posts. And whether or not people want to believe this or not, I'm an extremely intelligent person. However, I also am an extremely mischievous person with a strange sense of humor. Aside from that I have my own personality quirks that cause me to do very odd things. I have rubbed people the wrong way at times, insulted people who disagree with me, and many other things that would cause people to not like me. That's fine. I have not given anyone any reason to respect my intellect. Nor is that what I care about.

But what bothers me is that after being on these forums for nearly 5 years, a lot people still don't know me. They still don't understand what I do. If people want to believe I'm an idiot, that's fine. They can choose to be wrong. There are occasions I choose to make a serious post, or, mix asshattery with a serious point (and I do it quite often); perhaps people should attempt to look past the ALL CAPS, ZOMFG's, and massive amounts of smilies because I do have some important things to say. I just say it in my own way. One could say I just march to the beat of my own drummer.

Because honestly... if I made serious posts all the time, I'd be horribly boring.

[Donegeal]

Great post Sava (er post #56, not 67. I haven't read that one yet...), but for one thing...

If the US left now, anarchy would reign and civil war killing probably upwards of a million people would die (yes, I am pulling numbers out of my ass, and a million was a big one the was rather uncomfortable). The US should stay until a government capable of maintaining order is in place. The bad news about that is that there was one there to begin with. The bad news of that bad news is that it was Saddam...

[Provost Harrison]

It's because of the West's interfering foreign policy that Saddam is there in the first place. It's a mess and it's a no win situation now...

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by techumseh
I've read a couple of articles suggesting that al Queda was opposed by some of the main line resistance groups. Do you think his death and the posssible reduction in al Queda's role might contribute to the unity of the remaining insurgency?

Probably not. Even when you get insurgent groups with compatible goals, getting leaders to subordinate themselves and cooperate is still difficult. There are undoubtedly a lot of competing agendas at play.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Donegeal
Great post Sava (er post #56, not 67. I haven't read that one yet...), but for one thing...

If the US left now, anarchy would reign and civil war killing probably upwards of a million people would die (yes, I am pulling numbers out of my ass, and a million was a big one the was rather uncomfortable). The US should stay until a government capable of maintaining order is in place. The bad news about that is that there was one there to begin with. The bad news of that bad news is that it was Saddam...

This is a very arrogant and paternalistic view... and quite frankly, I don't know if it is necessarily true. I think that there is a solution that includes a US withdrawl and Iraqi self-rule. Maybe we need to equip the UN for a peacekeeping role?


Perhaps the Iraqi's need to fight a civil war. Hell... isn't that how our (representative) Democracy took form?

Why do we need to hold the Iraqi's hand? They aren't children. We removed Saddam for them. Let them run their own country. That's what they want.

Nothing productive is happening the longer we stay... let's leave, but offer to train the Iraqi's security force somewhere else. How about that? Offer them the aid they need for building their infrastructure. This isn't post-WW2, we shouldn't try to rebuild Iraq like it's Japan or Germany. It's a different situation.

[SlowwHand]

They don't need anything but blood, hair or tissue.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Sava
This is a very arrogant and paternalistic view... and quite frankly, I don't know if it is necessarily true. I think that there is a solution that includes a US withdrawl and Iraqi self-rule.

Of course the empire has to run the affairs of its subjects.

Maybe we need to equip the UN for a peacekeeping role?

Man, when you're on, you're on. Yeah, just like UNISOM I and II, Rwanda, Haiti, and every other place where the UN has just stood around on their collective dicks.

Perhaps the Iraqi's need to fight a civil war. Hell... isn't that how our (representative) Democracy took form?

When we did it, we didn't flip out Yuppie futures traders on NYMEX. We can't afford for the Iraqis to have a little civil war at their convenience.

Why do we need to hold the Iraqi's hand? They aren't children. We removed Saddam for them. Let them run their own country. That's what they want.

As soon as they show they can run it in a way we consider acceptable, and keep the oil flowing, we'll give their country back to them.

Nothing productive is happening the longer we stay... let's leave, but offer to train the Iraqi's security force somewhere else. How about that? Offer them the aid they need for building their infrastructure. This isn't post-WW2, we shouldn't try to rebuild Iraq like it's Japan or Germany. It's a different situation.

Yeah - they're sitting on or next to the majority of the world's oil supply.

[Provost Harrison]

Well Sava, a significant part of the problem is due to the fact that they haven't tried to rebuild Iraq apart from allowing the oil to flow out. The infrastructural damage caused was significant and a large proportion of Iraq is still without basic utilities. This is why discontent has risen where it needn't have done so...

[Lorizael]

Sava: You do indeed say intelligent things from time to time, but that doesn't mean you say anything important or worth listening to.