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  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


    I actually have quite a few reservations about a couple who is able to have children who gets married and chooses not to have kids at all. They are really a modern innovation that you would not have seen previous.
    Instead of making airy assertions, why not prove them ?

    What exactly is your evidence for this remarkable claim ? What exhaustive research have you carried out through historical archives and records to buttress this bizarre assertion ?


    Marriage has been throughout the ages a mutable custom, rite or tradition- romantic marriage is a relatively novel idea, and many marriages had at their heart purely economic considerations:

    In rural communities a marriage was not founded on romantic considerations but rather on economic arrangements. Property changed hands and ties between families were strengthened through marriage. Parents had much influence on the choice of spouse.


    A Roman girl was considered ready for marriage at the age of 14. Her father would choose a husband and conduct the required arrangements, including the size of the dowry, with the groom's family. Economic considerations and inter-family relations were far more important than love.


    From the 1690s to the 1870s, "wife sale" was common in rural and small-town England. To divorce his wife, a husband could present her with a rope around her neck in a public sale to another man.

    Marriage was strictly a civil and not an ecclesiastical ceremony for the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay until 1686.

    The Pilgrims outlawed courtship of a daughter or a female servant unless consent was first obtained from parents or master.

    Until 1662, there was no penalty for interracial marriages in any of the British colonies in North America. In 1662, Virginia doubled the fine for fornication between interracial couples. In 1664, Maryland became the first colony to ban interracial marriages. By 1750, all southern colonies, plus Massachusetts and Pennsylvania outlawed interracial marriages.

    Under English common law, and in all American colonies and states until the middle of the 19th century, married women had no legal standing. They could not own property, sign contracts, or legally control any wages they might earn.


    and:

    Bride Price

    In Africa, it is still practised extensively and known as "lobola" in the southern parts of the continent, "mahari" in east Africa or "wine-carrying" among tribes in west Africa.

    Traditionally, the prospective husband is expected to give a certain amount of money and goods, including cattle, goats, blankets or cowrie shells before a marriage is agreed.

    Bride price or dowry was revered as a symbol of sincerity and good faith that brought together the bride's and groom's families.

    But in some cases it is derided as a means to enrich a bride's family or a licence for a man to treat a woman as a "purchased" good.
    BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


    Marriage isn't, and wasn't, about reproduction. Even Henry VIII was prepared to recognise his bastard son as a legitimate heir if he could not achieve a male child through wedlock. The interests of the dynasty and the country came before any supposed sacred aspects of marriage and reproduction.


    Show me the money shot!
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    Vive la liberte. Noor Inayat Khan, Dachau.

    ...patriotism is not enough. I must have no hatred or bitterness towards anyone. Edith Cavell, 1915

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    • Originally posted by Kuciwalker
      Anyway, Spencer is right: the public policy exception exists for exactly the purpose of preventing this sort of thing, one state passing a law that automatically overrides other state laws.


      Recongizing a marriage from another state is not the same thing as being forced to enact them in your own. Mixed-race couples didn't automatically cease to be married when they crossed into Dixie. Even if a couple couldn't marry in Virginia, if they married elsewhere and moved to or passed through Virginia, the state had to recognize their legal relationship.
      Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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