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    An order of apologies for the house is in order, I believe.
    And here's your slice of humble pie.

    By KIM GAMEL, Associated Press Writer
    33 minutes ago

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military said Saturday that it had found no wrongdoing by American troops accused of intentionally killing civilians during a raid in a village north of Baghdad that left up to 13 Iraqis dead.

    The investigation of the March 15 attack on a home in the town of Ishaqi was one of three probes into possible misconduct by American troops in
    Iraq. U.S. Marines are also accused of deliberately killing two dozen unarmed Iraqi civilians in the western town of Haditha on Nov. 19 after one of their own died in a roadside bombing.

    Besides Haditha and Ishaqi, seven Marines and a Navy corpsman could face murder, kidnapping and conspiracy charges in the April shooting death of an Iraqi man west of Baghdad.

    The investigation of the attack in Ishaqi concluded that the U.S. troops followed normal procedures in raising the level of force after they came under fire while approaching a building where they believed was an al-Qaida terrorist was hiding, said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S military spokesman.

    Caldwell also acknowledged there were "possibly up to nine collateral deaths" in addition to the four Iraqi deaths that the military announced at the time of the Ishaqi raid. The results of the investigation were released amid questions about the original U.S. report as television stations aired AP Television News footage of a row of dead children in the aftermath of the raid.

    Army Brig. Gen. Donald Campbell, the chief of staff for U.S. forces in Iraq, said Friday the military will cooperate with the Iraqi government in its own investigation of Haditha and other incidents of alleged wrongdoing by U.S. troops.

    New footage shot by AP Television News in Haditha and broadcast Saturday showed walls pockmarked with bullet holes inside a stone house belonging to people killed. There was also a dusty TV with an apparent bullet hole.

    Iman Walid Abdul-Hameed, a 13-year-old girl who said she was in the house when the shootings occurred, said her brother and several other relatives were killed.

    "We want the Americans to be hurt just like us," she told the cameraman from her cousin's house, where she is now living.

    Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Thursday upbraided the U.S. military over Haditha, which he called "a horrible crime," and accused U.S. troops of habitually attacking unarmed civilians.

    On Friday, White House press secretary Tony Snow said al-Maliki had told U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad that he had been misquoted. But Snow was unable to explain what al-Maliki told Khalilzad or how he had been misquoted.

    Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld defended the training and conduct of U.S. troops and said incidents such as the alleged massacre of Iraqi civilians at Haditha shouldn't happen.

    "We know that 99.9 percent of our forces conduct themselves in an exemplary manner. We also know that in conflicts things that shouldn't happen, do happen," he said. "We don't expect U.S. soldiers to act that way, and they're trained not to."

    In Haditha, the Marines, enraged by the loss of a comrade, stormed into nearby homes in the area and allegedly shot occupants dead as well as several men in a taxi that arrived at the scene of the blast, according to U.S. lawmakers briefed by military officials.

    In one of the homes, Marines ordered four brothers inside a closet and shot them dead, said the Haditha lawyer, Khaled Salem Rsayef.

    Rsayef said he himself lost several relatives in the alleged massacre, including a sister and her husband, an aunt, an uncle and several cousins. He and his brother, Salam Salem Rsayef, spoke to The Associated Press by telephone from the Euphrates River town of 90,000 late Thursday and Friday.

    Despite the Iraqi government's insistence of cooperation between the U.S. and Iraqi investigations, the Rsayefs said they and other victims' families refused the request several months ago to exhume the bodies, which is prohibited in Islam.

    The Rsayef brothers met at least four times with U.S. military investigators looking into the killings. They said the meetings began in February and were held at Samarra General Hospital. The next meeting is scheduled for Sunday, the two brothers said, suggesting that the U.S. investigations are not finished.

    Khaled Salam Rsayef identified the four brothers killed in the closet as a car dealer, a traffic policeman, an engineer and a local government employee. He said the U.S. military did not compensate their families because the brothers were believed to be insurgents.

    The lawyer said his account of what happened was based on his personal observations from the rooftop of his home and windows. He said his house is several dozen yards away from the three homes raided by Marines. The killings, which he did not witness in person, were recounted to him and other members of his family the following day by survivors, he said.

    The New York Times, in a story for Saturday editions posted on its Web site, quoted a senior Marine officer as saying that commanders learned within two days that civilians in Haditha were killed by gunfire and not a roadside bomb, as they were initially led to believe. But the officer, who wasn't further identified, said officials had no information suggesting the civilians had been killed deliberately and saw no reason to investigate further.

    The Haditha attack came four months before the nighttime raid in the village of Ishaqi, about 50 miles north of Baghdad.

    A U.S. ground force conducted the Ishaqi attack, said two defense officials in Washington. After being fired upon from the targeted building, the soldiers pulled back and called in airstrikes by an Air Force AC-130 gunship, which attacked and collapsed the building, they said.

    One of the officials said the investigation into the circumstances of the Ishaqi attack found that four people in the building were killed by U.S. forces, including two women and a child. The main target of the attack, said by U.S. intelligence to be an al-Qaida figure, ran from the building but was later captured, the official said.

    Caldwell said that a search found "the body of Abu Ahmed plus three noncombatants," while the "investigating officer concluded that possibly up to nine collateral deaths resulted from this engagement but could not determine the precise number due to collapsed walls and heavy debris."

    Local Iraqis said there were 11 dead, contending they were killed by U.S. troops before the house was leveled.

    The bloody aftermath of the attack was captured at the time in the footage shot by an AP Television News cameraman. The video became the focus of attention Friday when the BBC aired it in the wake of recent allegations of U.S. troops killing unarmed civilians.

    The footage shows at least one adult male and four of the children with deep wounds to the head that could have been caused by bullets or shrapnel. One child has an obvious entry wound to the side and the inside of the walls left standing were pocked with bullet holes. A voice on the tape said there were clear bullet wounds in two people.

    Unfortunate, but the military is doing what they can. It's not like they prefer killing civilians.
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    And yes, the subject deserves it's own thread; not buried in the back pages of bull****.
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    • #3
      So much for the american military holding its murderers acountable.
      Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

      Do It Ourselves

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      • #4
        I am rather suspicious of any entity investigating it's own wrongdoings.
        I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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        • #5
          Re: GIs cleared of misconduct in Iraqi village

          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          An order of apologies for the house is in order, I believe.
          And here's your slice of humble pie.




          Unfortunate, but the military is doing what they can. It's not like they prefer killing civilians.


          Sloww, the fact that you don't understand the difference between Haditha and Ishaqi is pretty ****ing funny.

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          • #6
            Don't be too hard on him, KH. Sloww likes comparing apples to oranges.
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            • #7
              A U.S. ground force conducted the Ishaqi attack, said two defense officials in Washington. After being fired upon from the targeted building, the soldiers pulled back and called in airstrikes by an Air Force AC-130 gunship, which attacked and collapsed the building, they said.


              I hadn't seen this bit reported elsewhere. If an AC-130 opened up I'm surprised there are bodies left to identify, rather than bits of hamburger to be scraped up and buried.

              Of course you can question whether calling in an AC-130 is excessive. Not in my book if the US forces came under fire.

              As for Haditha, autopsies finding 5.56mm rounds matching the Marines M16's in the bodies would be conclusive. Since they conveniently can't be exhumed and autopsied it comes down to whose account you believe.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
                I am rather suspicious of any entity investigating it's own wrongdoings.
                Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
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                • #9
                  Gunmen kill Russian diplomat in Baghdad

                  By PATRICK QUINN, Associated Press Writer
                  7 minutes ago

                  BAGHDAD, Iraq - Gunmen attacked a car belonging to the Russian Embassy in Baghdad on Saturday, killing one diplomat and kidnapping four employees, police and the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

                  Also Saturday, a suicide attacker blew up his car bomb at the main market in the oil-rich southern city of Basra, killing at least 15 people and injuring 30, police said.

                  The explosion occurred in the late afternoon when a large number of people were in the square, police Capt. Mushtaq Kadhim said.

                  In a statement issued in Moscow, the Russian Foreign Ministry said assailants attacked a diplomatic car carrying "workers of the Russian foreign service who were performing their official duties," killing one person and abducting four. The attack occurred at about 1:45 p.m.

                  The statement said authorities were working with Iraqi and international authorities to secure the hostages' release. The statement did not give the names or the positions of the people killed or abducted.

                  According to police, witnesses at the scene said gunmen opened fire on the car in west Baghdad's upscale Mansour district. Interior Ministry Lt. Col. Falah al-Mohamedawi said one person was killed in the incident, which took place just outside the embassy.

                  AP Television News footage showed a white SUV with tinted windows, diplomatic licenses plates and a small tag that said "Russian Embassy" in English and Arabic. The sign had a bullet hole in it.

                  An ambulance was seen driving into the embassy.

                  There was no immediate comment from the Iraqi Foreign Ministry.

                  An official at the Russian Embassy in Baghdad confirmed the attack.

                  "Yes, I can confirm this. One diplomat killed, four employees kidnapped. That's all I can say. No commentary," the official told The Associated Press in Moscow. He refused to give his name or elaborate.

                  At least 439 foreigners have been kidnapped in
                  Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion three years ago, according to figures provided earlier this month by a special U.S. anti-kidnapping task force. Diplomats have been the targets of abductions previously.

                  In May 2004, gunmen ambushed Russian electrical engineers at Musayyib, kidnapping two and killing one. The two hostages were released.

                  That same month, rebels also ambushed Russian technicians heading to a Baghdad power plant, killing two and an Iraqi. The violence prompted Moscow-based Interenergoservis to pull out its 241 employees.

                  Russia opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and has not contributed any troops but maintains a diplomatic presence.

                  The most recent attack on diplomats occurred last month, when a United Arab Emirates diplomat was seized by gunmen in Mansour and held for more than two weeks before being released late last month.

                  In July, two Algerian diplomats and an Egyptian colleague were kidnapped and killed in separate incidents.

                  In October, two Moroccan Embassy workers were abducted and killed. The insurgent group al-Qaida in Iraq claimed responsibility for all the abductions.

                  ___

                  Associated Press reporters Sinan Salaheddin and Kim Gamel in Baghdad, and Mike Eckel in Moscow contributed to this report.

                  Investigate this.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by General Ludd
                    So much for the american military holding its murderers acountable.
                    You are talking about a different case.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Re: GIs cleared of misconduct in Iraqi village

                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse




                      Sloww, the fact that you don't understand the difference between Haditha and Ishaqi is pretty ****ing funny.

                      Personally I thought the same thing. I truly wonder if Sloww knows the difference between the two. In fact it seems that other people have made the same obvious error in this very thread.
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                      • #12
                        Sloww, you just need to avoid politics. You know nothing about it, and are incapable of rational thought with respect to it.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #13
                          No. The same situation exists. You need to use your head for something besides growing hair.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand
                            No. The same situation exists. You need to use your head for something besides growing hair.
                            Hey Sloww, did you catch the fact that this was a different incident that was being investigated?

                            May I add, one that does not seem to have made the press much previously, not until the Marines were found innocent.
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                            • #15
                              Back to topic: This is a disgraceful coverup. The US military has not changed since My Lai. The Vietnam parallels grow stronger every day.
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