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Originally posted by Datajack Franit
400$
from Milan to Berlin: 125€
400$
from Milan to Berlin: 125€
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But do you get a sleeper car? You can do the Amtrak NY-Chicago trip (which is about 750 miles/1250 km -- ~200 km more than Milan-Berlin -- and takes 18 hours) for ~$100 -- if you're willing to sleep (or "sleep") in the coach car. But I'm too old and bourgeios for that. A "roomette" sleeper car adds a couple of hundred dollars to the ticket."I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin -
Compared to Europe, our train system here, in Canada, sucks really bad.
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The difference is that in Europe most international passenger travel is done via superfast trains, so you can't compare ticket prices just by distance."In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
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I'm thinking of going this summer or winter. It would be cool to goto Vladivostok and then back to Europe via China, IndiaOriginally posted by asleepathewheel
I toyed with doing that back in 1998, I was winding down my studies in Moscow and could take a nice vacation. Instead I went to Sri Lanka for 2 weeks.Pakistan, Afghanistan, IranTurkey, but I don't think I'll have the money. So it will be transsiberian there and back, since the ticket is relatively cheap.Comment
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We need to subsidize railroads (especially for short and medium distance travel) to free up clogged freeways and provide an alternative to cars.
I'd love to see this system built. http://www.igs.berkeley.edu/library/htHighSpeedRail.htmTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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It leaves something to be desired but it would be a start. Personally I'd like to see a train going up the I15 corridor and and another going up the rest of the I5 corridor between San Diego and Los Angeles since that would cover about 50% of the state's population and provide a rail link to Las Vegas which is a major travel destination. Further more the San Francisco to Sacramento line should be extended all the way to Lake Tahoe. Eventually a coastal route covering cities like Santa Barbara, San Luis Obesbo, and Monterrey could be built along the Highway 101 (or even the US 1) corridor.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Taking it one way would be more then enough for me. Then I'd fly back.Originally posted by VetLegion
I'm thinking of going this summer or winter. It would be cool to goto Vladivostok and then back to Europe via China, IndiaPakistan, Afghanistan, IranTurkey, but I don't think I'll have the money. So it will be transsiberian there and back, since the ticket is relatively cheap.
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Y'all are trying to turn a freight rail thread into a passenger rail thread.
I think the US and Canada have made good choices with regard to emphasizing freight rail rather than passenger rail. This is borne out by the fact that freight rail makes money while passenger rail loses money the world over.Last edited by DanS; June 2, 2006, 10:48.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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You know, freight rail?!Attached FilesI came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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I don't think much of the US + Canada even has the population density to support passenger rail, which certainly can make money if the right factors are there. Even if it generates losses, you have to consider the costs saved because the travelers did not drive, and the reduction of their individual impact on the environment, etc. But anyway it's just not suited to the US. It makes more sense in Europe and maybe a few parts of the country here like New England.I think the US and Canada have made good choices with regard to emphasizing freight rail rather than passenger rail. This is borne out by the fact that freight rail makes money while passenger rail loses money the world over.meet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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Chu-chu!
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You live in the richest country of the world and you don't have a national high-speed railroad network
I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Blue: completed
Green: to be completed in 2007
Yellow: to be completed in 2012I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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We used to have by far the best developed passenger rail system. Times and needs change.
Who knows, we might have the best developed passenger rail network in the future (although I doubt it).Last edited by DanS; June 2, 2006, 15:10.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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When the Great Belt tunnel was build passenger rail was suddently competitive with air - it ws cheaper, you could work and average travel time was equal. At the same time a bridge was build and that actually had the effect that freight trains are more or less killed.
Though, lack of maintenance means that there are a lot of delays and slowdowns (only 40 km/h instead of 180 etc), so people has a tendency to move to car driving.
Edit: It might help if I mention that I'm talking about Denmark
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