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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Demonstrators would be barred from disrupting military funerals at national cemeteries under legislation approved by Congress and sent to the White House.

    The measure, passed by voice vote in the House Wednesday hours after the Senate passed an amended version, specifically targets a Kansas church group that has staged protests at military funerals around the country, claiming that the deaths were a sign of God's anger at U.S. tolerance of homosexuals.

    The act "will protect the sanctity of all 122 of our national cemeteries as shrines to their gallant dead," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said prior to the Senate vote.

    "It's a sad but necessary measure to protect what should be recognized by all reasonable people as a solemn, private and deeply sacred occasion," he said.

    Under the Senate bill, approved without objection by the House with no recorded vote, the "Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act" would bar protests within 300 feet of the entrance of a cemetery and within 150 feet of a road into the cemetery from 60 minutes before to 60 minutes after a funeral. Those violating the act would face up to a $100,000 fine and up to a year in prison.

    The sponsor of the House bill, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said he took up the issue after attending a military funeral in his home state, where mourners were greeted by "chants and taunting and some of the most vile things I have ever heard."

    "Families deserve the time to bury their American heroes with dignity and in peace," Rogers said Wednesday before the House vote.

    The demonstrators are led by the Rev. Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kansas, who has previously organized protests against those who died of AIDS and gay murder victim Matthew Shepard.

    In an interview when the House bill passed, Phelps said Congress was "blatantly violating the First Amendment" rights to free speech in passing the bill. He said that if the bill becomes law he will continue to demonstrate but would abide by the restrictions.

    Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas, said the loved ones of those who die have already sacrificed for the nation and "we must allow them the right to mourn without being thrust into a political circus."

    In response to the demonstrations, the Patriot Guard Riders, a motorcycle group including many veterans, has begun appearing at military funerals to pay respects to the fallen service member and protect the family from disruptions.

    More than a dozen states are considering similar laws to restrict protests at nonfederal cemeteries. The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against a new Kentucky law, saying it goes too far in limiting freedom of speech and expression.
    I don't really have any particular problem with the law in and of itself other than the fact that I think that it should have applied to funerals in general rather than just military ones. People mourning the death of a loved one shouldn't have to deal with protests of any sort at such a private and raw moment regardless of military status.
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    Funerals are not the place for any kind of protest.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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    • #3
      Re: Congress passes funeral protest ban

      I agree with you. They should have outlawed all funeral protests, especially those of Fred Phelps.

      On the other hand, what do you do if some family members want to protest at a military funeral?

      That's not an easy question to answer.
      Only feebs vote.

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      • #4
        I don't really have any particular problem with the law in and of itself other than the fact that I think that it should have applied to funerals in general rather than just military ones. People mourning the death of a loved one shouldn't have to deal with protests of any sort at such a private and raw moment regardless of military status.


        I agree and I'm hoping that that distinction will not lead to legal problems (ie, an assertion of viewpoint discrimination). Though in that case Congress could just expand the law to all funerals.
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        • #5
          Protest at a family member's funeral? I don't see that happening.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #6
            I'm not a big fan of freedom limiting but... I would agree in this particular case, I would consider banning this as well. If someone else does it for me, then I would support it even.

            If family wants to protest or some of them.. difficult one. My take is they are members of the family and thus shouldn't apply to the ban. Not an easy question though, but quick pick was this.
            In da butt.
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            • #7
              One of the things i dislike about this is the visibility Phelps gets out of it. ***hole.
              What?

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              • #8
                I wonder if AH can have him kicked out of the Troll club.
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                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand
                  Protest at a family member's funeral? I don't see that happening.
                  OK. A dude gets killed in Iraq. His parents are pro military and want a military funeral, which his wife agrees to on the grounds she can wear a "Make Love Not War" T-Shirt to it.
                  Only feebs vote.

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                  • #10
                    The law would have been unconstitutional if they had banned protests at all funerals rather than just military funerals at military cemetaries.

                    Really, this law seems tits-on-bull to me. After the Phelps clan gets bored with this stuff, the law will be useless.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DanS
                      The law would have been unconstitutional if they had banned protests at all funerals rather than just military funerals at military cemetaries.
                      Why?
                      I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                      For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                      • #12
                        and wasn't there a group of bikers going around singing patriotic tunes and hummin sousa marches at some of these protested funerals?
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                        • #13
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                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            The law would have been unconstitutional if they had banned protests at all funerals rather than just military funerals at military cemetaries.
                            No one is banning anything here... they are merely saying you have to stay X yards away. It's a time, manner, place restriction, which is ok. But restricting it to military funerals may raise questions of whether this this viewpoint discrimination (because you can protest all you want at non-military funerals right up the casket).
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DanS
                              The law would have been unconstitutional if they had banned protests at all funerals rather than just military funerals at military cemetaries.
                              And you persist with that insane document.
                              Only feebs vote.

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