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    School District Votes to Discipline Teens for Bad Behavior on the Web

    By DEAN REYNOLDS

    May 23, 2006 — - If you're like most parents of teenagers, your kids spend quite a bit of time after school tapping away at the computer. Well, here's a tip: They're probably not doing homework.

    More than likely, they are conversing with one another online and posting pictures or stories about their activities in blogs -- many with the naive assumption that they're sharing secrets with a precious few. But this is the worldwide Web, and everything kids are splashing across sites like MySpace or Friendster can be seen by a global online audience.

    A school district in Illinois said that kids who post images of themselves engaged in lewd, inappropriate or illegal behavior -- even off school grounds -- are subject to disciplinary action. School officials say they are not trying to censor students but to protect them.


    Bad Behavior Could Haunt Kids Online

    A survey by the Pew Internet and American Life Project found that 57 percent of kids ages 12 to 17 have created content for the Internet. That translates into roughly 12 million youngsters. Do they all understand the tool they're using?

    The school board of Libertyville-Vernon Hills Area High School District 128 in northern Illinois is worried that they don't.

    "There are things that students and parents need to be aware of when they put information out in the public domain," said assistant superintendent Prentice Lea.

    The school board voted Monday to redo its code of conduct to include online postings. Starting next year, any student who goes online to post threats, pictures of themselves drinking or smoking, or in sexually suggestive poses will face an investigation and possible disciplinary action.

    Any illegal or inappropriate behavior students post online could get them in trouble. Some students say it crosses a line.

    "They have no right to do it," said Julia Galachenko.

    Alex Koroknay-Palicz, of the National Youth Rights Association, echoes that view. "Just like they were scared of Elvis with his hip thrusts, they're scared of rock music, they're scared of punk music," he said. "They're scared of anything new that comes along that young people embrace."

    Kathryn Montgomery of American University and the author of the forthcoming book, "Generation Digital," occupies a middle ground.

    "It's going to take some really careful thinking and very clear policies so that we don't go too far, so that this does not become a medium of surveillance," she said.

    School officials insist the new policy is not a police action but a protective one.

    "We want students to be aware that as they move into their adult lives, they are accountable for information that they put … out there on a blog site," said Lea.

    Lea said that college admissions officers and prospective employers increasingly use the Internet to find information on candidates, and often basing decisions, at least partially, on what comes up.

    Today actions that may have once been seen as youthful indiscretions known to only a few friends can become fair game for anyone who is hooked up to the Internet.

    Better to think twice, then, about dancing naked on the bar after the prom -- somebody out there may not see it as all that funny.
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    Teens, Internet, Behavior, My Space, Facebook, Article, 1995856

  • #2
    Ignoring the youth rights issue here, I really think what the school district is doing here is very wrong. "Inappropriate" conduct or whatever the wording was is very nebulous and open to abuse. Also, talking about something online does not equate to doing it. Also, talking about something online that you've done in real life doesn't mean you're not lying through your teeth because it's cool to talk about naughty things on myspace.
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    • #3
      Not to mention the fact that the school has absolutely NO JURISDICTION over the off-campus activities of students who aren't on school time. What, are they going to take up Net-Nannyism now since they're doing such a swell job educating public school children? Are they swimming in so much cash now that they divert attention towards things that are none of their business?
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      • #4
        Go Ozzy!

        This is crazy.
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        • #5
          I really don't understand this.
          If they find you smoking in a mall after school hours they can't do anything can they?
          So why if it's on internet then they have more rights to do something about it?
          Makes no sense to me.

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          • #6
            And in the land of the free, it'll get punted in the first court case put up by the brave.

            Or, at least it does in the version of the story that I write.

            In fact, in the land of the French, it would get punted by common sense.
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            • #7
              The thing is, anyone that participates in extracurricular activities for a school signs an agreement saying that they will not do anything that has a negative impact on the school or on the school's team. Supposed to be a good representative, or somesuch thing.
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              • #8
                And that agreement stands up just how long before the ACLU in a court case?

                A contract is invalid in the parts where it infringes a law, or something like that, yes?
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                • #9
                  In what way does it infringe upon the law, exactly?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lul Thyme
                    If they find you smoking in a mall after school hours they can't do anything can they?
                    The laws very. Here anyone under eighteen smoking a cigarette anytime can be cited or arrested. Happened to someone I know.

                    Internet abuse by teens is also a problem. An infamous case happened here not long ago. A pair of teens met online and had a relationship her parents objected to so the boy (18yrs) shot the parents and took off with the girl (14yrs). They were caught in Ohio and brought back to Pennsylvania where he is facing charges. The boy was involved in all kinds of random craziness online. The police found so many kids acting stupid online that I don't allow my kids on the internet unless I'm right there watching.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Lorizael
                      In what way does it infringe upon the law, exactly?
                      Don't American states have laws regarding the guardianship of minors? Additionally, aren't there restrictions on the powers of the state through school boards?

                      I would think it should almost be common law.

                      Failing that, does the Constitution not apply to minors?
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                      • #12
                        First of all, it says that the schools will not actively be searching myspace of livejournal or what have you. The board said that this would be evidence just like any other evidence, meaning that if they had reason to pursue it, they would.

                        Anything posted on the internet with your name on it is in the public domain, so anyone is allowed to look at it. No violation of privacy there.

                        That, combined with the fact that every student agrees that they must follow such rules means... what?

                        That students must follow good behavior to engage in certain activities is something that has been around for a very, very long time in public schools. All that's happening here is that the school board is saying activities online can also be bad behavior.

                        Anyways, I'm still vehemently against what the school board is doing.
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                        • #13
                          Let's start with violation of right to free expression outside of the confines that a school could reasonably place on that right.

                          This is nanny state gone mad.

                          I can't see it standing. It wouldn't last five seconds in Canada, and we don't have as strong a Bill of Rights as the Yanks do.
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                          • #14
                            That students must follow good behavior to engage in certain activities is something that has been around for a very, very long time in public schools. All that's happening here is that the school board is saying activities online can also be bad behavior.


                            Last I heard, school boards were not legal guardians of their students.

                            Furthermore, attending school is not an optional activity (at least here you go to school, by law, til a certain age).

                            Suspending students for activities outside of the school is...

                            way over the top.
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                            • #15
                              Kind of like banning people from one site for actions on another.
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