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    Ian McKellen says Bible should have Fiction Disclaimer

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    "Well, I've often thought the Bible should have a disclaimer in the front saying this is fiction. I mean, walking on water, it takes an act of faith. And I have faith in this movie. Not that it's true, not that it's factual, but that it's a jolly good story. And I think audiences are clever enough and bright enough to separate out fact and fiction, and discuss the thing after they've seen it."
    Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.
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  • #2
    You mean it doesn't already?
    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God? - Epicurus

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    • #3
      Fair's fair. If evolution can get a disclaimer in High School Textbooks (according to some localities)....
      Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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      • #4
        Umm, I have found a surprising large number, of smart people, who take the Da Vinci Code at face value. Including all the stuff that is known wrong, or that historians and other (nonChristian) experts find ludicrous.

        So, yes, I don't understand it, but for some reason a lot of peoples ability to determine fact and fiction doesn't seem to work for this book. (I have no clue about the movie)

        Jon Miller
        Jon Miller-
        I AM.CANADIAN
        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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        • #5
          Just more atheist idiocy. sigh.

          It amazes me that people try to discredit the Bible which we know was written by real people with real experiences but believe crap like the Da Vinci code which we know is completely fake.
          'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
          G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The diplomat
            Just more atheist idiocy. sigh.

            It amazes me that people try to discredit the Bible which we know was written by real people with real experiences but believe crap like the Da Vinci code which we know is completely fake.

            Dianetics was written by real people with real experiences...doesn't mean we should take it at face value. Ant it has the virtue of being created within the past 50 yrs, not lost in the mists of time.
            Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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            • #7
              yes, the 'virtue' of knowing that it is a load of crap, instead of the debate currently about the Bible (which was partially responsible for the enlightenment and the good that has come out of West).

              Jon Miller
              (not to say that Christianity hasn't been responsible for some bad things also, but you can't devorce Western culture from its Christian history)
              Jon Miller-
              I AM.CANADIAN
              GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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              • #8
                I thought the Enlightenment was a result of turning away from the oppressiveness of the Catholic Church, and involved a lot of seperationist (between Church and State) rhetoric
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                • #9
                  But was developed by people using Christian setiments..

                  Catholic != Christian

                  JM
                  Jon Miller-
                  I AM.CANADIAN
                  GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jon Miller
                    But was developed by people using Christian setiments..

                    Catholic != Christian

                    JM
                    What, you mean the "Christian sentiment" that Christianity shouldn't be a basis for government anymore?
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                    • #11
                      Oh, I agree with it. And I do think it is a Christian Sentiment. My denomination (althuogh I disagree with it with many things) is a firm proponent of the seperation of Church and State.

                      Jon Miller
                      (sep of Church and State, Seventh Day Sabbath, State of the Dead = some of the important things I agree with them on)
                      Jon Miller-
                      I AM.CANADIAN
                      GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                      • #12
                        The problems with Christianity in Europe can almost all be directly linked with the lack of a seperation of church and state in those countries until very recently (I beleive that Sweden's Lutheran church quit being the state church in 2001?)

                        JM
                        Jon Miller-
                        I AM.CANADIAN
                        GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                        • #13
                          And I do think it is a Christian Sentiment.


                          Maybe now in some specific sects... I doubt the countries that were face to face with the Enlightenment thinkers thought so, especially not the King of France who had to deal with Voltaire and Rousseau not only skewering monarchy, but also religion with similar zeal. Also not Britain, who had to deal with Hume.

                          A lot of main thinkers of the Enlightenment flourished because they were free from religious constraints that prior generations had not.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jon Miller
                            yes, the 'virtue' of knowing that it is a load of crap, instead of the debate currently about the Bible (which was partially responsible for the enlightenment and the good that has come out of West).

                            Jon Miller
                            (not to say that Christianity hasn't been responsible for some bad things also, but you can't devorce Western culture from its Christian history)
                            I associate Western Culture with secular, liberal, Democratic Greek City States.
                            Today, you are the waves of the Pacific, pushing ever eastward. You are the sequoias rising from the Sierra Nevada, defiant and enduring.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The diplomat
                              Just more atheist idiocy. sigh.

                              It amazes me that people try to discredit the Bible which we know was written by real people with real experiences but believe crap like the Da Vinci code which we know is completely fake.
                              The majority of the christian bible was written in the 2nd and 3rd centuries. All the apostles were long dead, the writers did not witness anything.

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