On Recent Wars - Things Not Figured Out

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Vesayen
We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

The hell we didn't! Do you know what a B-52 does? We did't annihilate North Vietnam's cities, ala Germany and Japan, but we bombed so much of Vietnam, that a total area the size of Massachussets in Vietnam is still basically desert.

We had the gloves off in both Korea and Vietnam. The only part of North Vietnam we didn't bomb was a ten-mile strip along the Chinese border, in order that we not accidentally bomb China and start a world war. We didn't put troops on the ground in North Vietnam for the same reason, because we believed, correctly as it turns out, that China would have intervened.

Two million Vietnamese died in the Vientamese-American War. If you think that's us holding back, what do you think we should have done, committ genocide?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Arrian
Good article, Cali. Thanks for posting it.

-Arrian

I agree. This guy actually gets it.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Very good artcile, Cali. These wars take a lot of work and a lot of time and effort. And people don't want to see their kids die in efforts that they don't think is worth that much time and effort (the amount spent on Iraq so far could easily pay for universal health care for a number of years probably). They have to bear the sacrifice for battles they don't think the US should fight.

Warriors (Ves is a prime example) just simply don't get the time and effort operations like this will take. They think things can be taken care of if more and more force is used. They don't seem to understand the problems that pissing off a bunch of people can bring. They say "bring it on" without thinking of the consequences, while the families of the dead have to live with those consequences every day.

Warriors like Ves?

I was against us going into Afghanistan or Iraq.... I maintain Iraq is still a huge mistake, i'm unsure about Afghanistan now though.

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Vesayen
We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

The hell we didn't! Do you know what a B-52 does? We did't annihilate North Vietnam's cities, ala Germany and Japan, but we bombed so much of Vietnam, that a total area the size of Massachussets in Vietnam is still basically desert.

We had the gloves off in both Korea and Vietnam. The only part of North Vietnam we didn't bomb was a ten-mile strip along the Chinese border, in order that we not accidentally bomb China and start a world war. We didn't put troops on the ground in North Vietnam for the same reason, because we believed, correctly as it turns out, that China would have intervened.

Two million Vietnamese died in the Vientamese-American War. If you think that's us holding back, what do you think we should have done, committ genocide?

We could of, and we would of "won". Point being it was not American inability, but American restraint.

[KrazyHorse]

We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhaaahahaahahahaaahahahahaha

[Vesayen]

Let me clarify.

We did not bomb major cities in the same way we bombed major cities in WW2.

[Imran Siddiqui]

[q=Ves]Warriors like Ves?[/q]

[q=Ves]We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

EVERY war used as an example, would of been easily won by the first world power if they had shown a willingness to "take off the gloves" as was done in WW2(except maybe france in Vietnam-they didn't have the ordinane).[/q]

[q=Ves]We could of, and we would of "won". Point being it was not American inability, but American restraint.[/q]

Yes, WARRIORS LIKE VES. Did you even read the article?

May a quote a relevant part of it?

[q=article]The Warrior, unable to see things through the eyes of the enemy, or of the local population, whom he quickly comes to hate, wants to blow hell out of things.[/q]

HINT: HE IS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

[Vince278]

The changes to the Geneva Conventions since WWII are slowly making war itself too difficult to prosecute.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Kid, plant your lips firmly on my ass. World domination? What a fool.

What? You think it's about Democracy in Iraq or WMD? Which one? Both are ridiculous. Both are just bull**** coming out of Americans mouths.

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
[q=Ves]Warriors like Ves?[/q]

[q=Ves]We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

EVERY war used as an example, would of been easily won by the first world power if they had shown a willingness to "take off the gloves" as was done in WW2(except maybe france in Vietnam-they didn't have the ordinane).[/q]

[q=Ves]We could of, and we would of "won". Point being it was not American inability, but American restraint.[/q]

Yes, WARRIORS LIKE VES. Did you even read the article?

May a quote a relevant part of it?

[q=article]The Warrior, unable to see things through the eyes of the enemy, or of the local population, whom he quickly comes to hate, wants to blow hell out of things.[/q]

HINT: HE IS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

Did I express an apathy to the suffering of others, or the desire to blow the hell out of their populace? No.

In fact we did not "win" because we did NOT have "warriors" the way he described calling the shots, with complete and utter disregard for the populace(only partial disregard heh). If that was the case, we would of leveled their capital.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Vesayen
Did I express an apathy to the suffering of others, or the desire to blow the hell out of their populace? No.

Why not? If we make war more horrible instead of less then perhaps everyone will do whatever it takes to avoid it.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Vesayen

We didn't carpet bomb vietnam.

[Kidlicious]

Vesayen is getting as bad as Ned.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Vince278
Why not? If we make war more horrible instead of less then perhaps everyone will do whatever it takes to avoid it.

This has got to be the worst idea ever.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Kidicious
Vesayen is getting as bad as Ned.

impeccable observation

[KrazyHorse]

Indeed. He's almost as bad as Kid, too.