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  • #16
    The EU needs to be changed so that no country has a veto. It would be best if there was a bicamrial legislature with a lower house where seats are apportioned according to population and an upper house where every state gets the same number of seats. This works well in the US and it really is the only fair way.
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    • #17
      The reason for Romania overtaking Bulgaria is that they had several high profile official trialed for corruption while in Bulgaria there isn't a single trial.

      Apparently Romania is ahead in "fight against corruption" and "judiciary reform"

      Our government will probably try to come up with some corruption sentences to "show" to the EU that we are making progres.
      I am pretty sure however that the corruption in Bulgaria is not much worse than in some other EU countries. But the EU does not seem to be bothered by that.
      Last edited by Sir Og; May 15, 2006, 12:22.
      Quendelie axan!

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      • #18
        EU=10 minutes LOL
        I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

        Asher on molly bloom

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Oerdin
          The EU needs to be changed so that no country has a veto. It would be best if there was a bicamrial legislature with a lower house where seats are apportioned according to population and an upper house where every state gets the same number of seats. This works well in the US and it really is the only fair way.
          That's a hideous way of doing things. It's crap like that that put Bush in office, though I suppose it would be more justifiable in places where very real differences exist between the states.

          As for the question of the thread: I hope so, maybe then I won't need all sorts of paperwork for a work permit and stuff.

          As to the why Romania is ahead, my personal theory is much more cynical. The opposition formed a government after the last elections and went after people who were formerly in government. Not too hard going after your rivals.
          "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
          -Joan Robinson

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Victor Galis

            As for the question of the thread: I hope so, maybe then I won't need all sorts of paperwork for a work permit and stuff.
            Amen.

            Originally posted by Victor Galis

            As to the why Romania is ahead, my personal theory is much more cynical. The opposition formed a government after the last elections and went after people who were formerly in government. Not too hard going after your rivals.
            That is exactly what happened. In doing so, the current government has followed a tradition respected by all governments since 1866 (and probably even before that): once you hold the power, fuel a big media circus blaming all that's wrong in the country on your predecessors. The communists also added criminal prosecution, jail and executions to the recipe (actual evidence was part of the equation, just nice to have).

            However, this time the group that now holds the power did 2 things differently, and I believe this earned them quite a few extra brownie points and here lies the reason for Romania's recent advances over Bulgaria:
            1 - the Justice minister is not only an independent person (ie, one who is not a member of a political party, hence less likely to be influenced), but also a former member of an NGO that was very active in the field of human rights (the independent part is probably a first in the entire history of the modern Romanian state);
            2 - a number of corrupted and/or incompetent people from the current government have also been quietly dismissed, while the media was focussing mostly on the charges brought against the predecessors.
            Although these people have not been officially charged with anything yet, another first (at least since WW2) would be that they were actually fired, instead of being relocated to a more obscure position, or even promoted (another highly respected tradition here).
            The monkeys are listening.

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            • #21
              i was reading today that bulgaria is plagued by corruption and organised crime at the highest levels, whereas romania has made far more progress towards good governance.

              i'm sure how true this is, though i know a couple of people who are buying property in bulgaria and they say they've had to grease a few palms to get things done.
              "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

              "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Oerdin
                The EU needs to be changed so that no country has a veto. It would be best if there was a bicamrial legislature with a lower house where seats are apportioned according to population and an upper house where every state gets the same number of seats. This works well in the US and it really is the only fair way.
                Easier said than done however. Plenty of countries (and populations) want to keep their veto so that they're sure the EU doesn't go in a direction they definitely reject.

                Unfortunately, considering the broadly different attitudes toward the EU in each country, this system ensures that the EU can just barely advance, except in crisis.
                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                • #23
                  I mean, I suppose I could work in the US or Canada, but where would the fun in that be?
                  "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                  -Joan Robinson

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