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  • I can't believe I'm replying to this . But I am willing to hope that you're not dense, but merely an ignorant person who desperately needs education on such matters.

    Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
    How you can believe Germany's flag is better than Belgium's, even ignoring the use of horizontal stripes, is beyond me. Germany's flag uses a strong-strong-soft scheme. The blatant asymmetry of this should be obvious even to a 5-year old.

    You'll notice that the German flag sucks in any case. The colour-scheme is horrendous (though Belgium's is far worse), and the shape is terrible.
    However, for all its flaws, the German flag is made in such a way that you can ignore yellow. Black and yellow are complete antitheses, and the German flag doesn't make the mistake of putting the two next to each other. Also, the German flag has the extra redeeming quality of putting yellow right next to red, and both colours, as you rightly point out, fit well together. As a result, the German flag makes its yellow forgettable, and people can concentrate on the less crappy parts of the flag.

    That's sadly not the case for Belgium.

    The problem with the anarchistic flag, despite being so cool is exactly that is uses only 2 colours. While it may work with Japan's flag because of the contrast, it poses problems with the anarchistic flag because both red and black are strong, giving a harsh and aggressive air. This is a problem the Belgian does not have because it uses yellow as a kind, fresh colour between the black and the red.

    This is the point of the anarchistic flag. The anarchists' aim is to destroy the fabric of our society (in order to replace it with an anarchistic utopia), and this implies quite a bit of provocation against the bourgeois values of today's society. Obviously, they want their colours to be as strong and confrontational as possible, and I find it difficult to top the anarchistic flag in that regard.

    I can understand that Belgium is willing to be more consensual than the anarchists. After all, Belgium stands for the interests of its ruling elite, and has to manage the potential discontent of the natives. However, to reach such an aim, Belgium should strive to have a soft flag, which corresponds to its obviously soft personality. Something like orange-yellow-light-green would quite correspond to Belgium's peacefulness. You could also have a lightblue-lightgreen-yellow theme
    However the use of black completely destroys the image of Belgium as a harmless country, and it infuses a feeling of strength where none should exist.

    The fact that black and yellow are next to each other, intead of showing balance as you think, just shows that Belgium doesn't know what it wants, between strength and softness. A more cynical interpretation would be that Belgium does know what it wants (strength), but is way too weak to afford it, and thus is forced to settle with softness.

    Yellow and red are very compatible, on the colour spectrum, they only have orange between them, which naturally is a blend of both. The fact they can be blended into orange also proves they're compatible. Black and yellow provide for strong contrast, like Japan's red and white.

    There's contrast and contrast. Red and white fit well together. As do red and black. And black and white can fit well together, although it is not as obvious, and requires an adapted shape.

    However, black and yellow is terrible at crating contrast. Just like black and blue. If you have ever looked at Estonia's flag, you'll see what I mean
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      • Originally posted by alva
        Are you two taking this serious? It's a flag!! Who cares?!
        This is an essential debate!
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        • Originally posted by Ecthy
          Colon, you see?

          The flag makes it easy to ignore the yellow part (it just blends in the general suckiness), instead of throwing the yellow at your face.

          As a result, the colour sceme is merely sucky, compared to the horribly sucky colour scheme of yours.
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          • It's steadily dawning on me I'm dealing with a person who wouldn't understand a Mondriaan even if you'd hammer him in the face with it.

            Originally posted by Spiffor
            You'll notice that the German flag sucks in any case. The colour-scheme is horrendous (though Belgium's is far worse), and the shape is terrible.
            However, for all its flaws, the German flag is made in such a way that you can ignore yellow. Black and yellow are complete antitheses, and the German flag doesn't make the mistake of putting the two next to each other. Also, the German flag has the extra redeeming quality of putting yellow right next to red, and both colours, as you rightly point out, fit well together. As a result, the German flag makes its yellow forgettable, and people can concentrate on the less crappy parts of the flag.

            That's sadly not the case for Belgium.
            What you fail to understand that black and white aren't part of the colour spectrum, and are therefore compatible with any colour on it. Hence Black is compatible with red, and compatible with yellow. Yellow and Red are also compatible as they're both primary colours. If they weren't compatible you wouldn't be able to make orange out of it.
            The problem with the German flag is not so much the colours, those are fine, as is the use of vertical stripes and the asymmetrical order in which they appear. Strong-strong-soft vs strong-soft-strong.

            This is the point of the anarchistic flag. The anarchists' aim is to destroy the fabric of our society (in order to replace it with an anarchistic utopia), and this implies quite a bit of provocation against the bourgeois values of today's society. Obviously, they want their colours to be as strong and confrontational as possible, and I find it difficult to top the anarchistic flag in that regard.

            I can understand that Belgium is willing to be more consensual than the anarchists. After all, Belgium stands for the interests of its ruling elite, and has to manage the potential discontent of the natives. However, to reach such an aim, Belgium should strive to have a soft flag, which corresponds to its obviously soft personality. Something like orange-yellow-light-green would quite correspond to Belgium's peacefulness. You could also have a lightblue-lightgreen-yellow theme
            However the use of black completely destroys the image of Belgium as a harmless country, and it infuses a feeling of strength where none should exist.

            The fact that black and yellow are next to each other, intead of showing balance as you think, just shows that Belgium doesn't know what it wants, between strength and softness. A more cynical interpretation would be that Belgium does know what it wants (strength), but is way too weak to afford it, and thus is forced to settle with softness.


            You seen me mention the symbolic meanings, huh? No. So typical to seek refuge in wishy-washy symbolism because you realise you're losing the aesthetics debate.

            There's contrast and contrast. Red and white fit well together. As do red and black. And black and white can fit well together, although it is not as obvious, and requires an adapted shape.

            However, black and yellow is terrible at crating contrast. Just like black and blue. If you have ever looked at Estonia's flag, you'll see what I mean


            Of course red and white fit well together (see above), a non-spectral colour and a primary spectral colour, how could you possibly go wrong in that? It's very you odd you arbitrarily discriminate on yellow, even though it perfectly abides to the same rules, which makes you suspect you hold a grudge towards it because of Belgium's rightful claim to being the sole seat of the European Parliament.
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            • Well, I now understand that you have been trolling me all along. Such crap cannot be spouted by someone who takes on this debate seriously. At least, I hope so.

              In any case, I won't continue. Whether your posts are backed by sheer provocation or by sheer stupidity, I can't afford to lose any more neurones in a debate like that.
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              • This is like Mornington Crescent

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                • Originally posted by Spiffor


                  Well, I now understand that you have been trolling me all along. Such crap cannot be spouted by someone who takes on this debate seriously. At least, I hope so.

                  In any case, I won't continue. Whether your posts are backed by sheer provocation or by sheer stupidity, I can't afford to lose any more neurones in a debate like that.
                  Speak for yourself. It's hard to believe how anyone can possibly this ignorant about colours. You suggested a light-green/light-blue/yellow scheme for schrissake.
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                  • talking about horrible colour combinations in flags, these are some of the worst





                    proper flags are red, white & blue the colours of freedom
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                    • Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
                      You suggested a light-green/light-blue/yellow scheme for schrissake.
                      Gabon!
                      I find it quite refeshing
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                      • Originally posted by Gangerolf
                        talking about horrible colour combinations in flags, these are some of the worst

                        It does create a Christmas kinda feeling though, no?
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                        • Originally posted by Gangerolf


                          Gabon!
                          I find it quite refeshing
                          It's sooo African. No wonder it's full of failed states.
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                          • Maybe that also somehow explains why Lithuania's inflation is so high


                            Judging from the flag you'd think the country was in Central Africa, not Central Europe.

                            I like it.
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                            • It isn't in Central Europe, it's in Eastern Europe, just like Finland.

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                              • Well, one could write a book about what is and what is not Central or Eastern Europe etc etc
                                In fact several people have
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