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  • #46
    Originally posted by Ted Striker
    WOW another solid contribution !
    It's a give and take relationship. I can only respond to the general level of intellect in the thread,

    DON"T GET IT TWISTED! LOLERZ!!!
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    • #47
      ROFLCOPTER!!!!

      Dinodozicok just lowered tha IQ level to the double digits!


      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #48
        I might be bothered to care or even agree with you if you'd care to explain your position beyond hyperbole and hysterical hand waving about the sky falling.
        I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
        For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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        • #49
          Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


          You'd be in disagreement with my former Army Ranger Chemistry teacher. Vietnam vet, told us point blank the purpose of the military is to "kill people and break things".
          As you say, he's a vet. Modern armies are training in many other things, especially peacekeeping methods (no, you don't kill demonstrating civilians etc)
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Vesayen
            I've decided when people act like infantile morons in the future, the best way may be to just link to that post.

            As soon as I pointed out what jack asses they were, the thread mystically died.

            The power of Shame.
            BlackCat just pointed out this post. Sorry I'm not on poly 24/7 to keep up with you, dude. I'd love to continue ripping you a new one
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            • #51
              There is definitely a misunderstanding about what militaries are meant for in this thread, and it's certainly not just "killing people and breaking things". Of course, citing examples of Marines and Army Rangers, two groups in the US military that are specifically designed to do just that doesn't help.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                I agree with Ted.

                The military should not be defending the border between two peaceful countries.

                Why not just hire more border patrol? They're militant enough...
                Ditto.
                “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  I might be bothered to care or even agree with you if you'd care to explain your position beyond hyperbole and hysterical hand waving about the sky falling.
                  You certainly care enough to be posting here with your usual cutsie peek a boo posts
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    Look, I have alot of Marine buddies

                    Without a doubt, these guys are the best infantry units on the planet. Apoc and Oerdin will probably disagree but that's my opinion. Send the Marines in and they will pretty much destroy whatever it is they are asked to do. They are that damn good. They do their job well.

                    But now they are running peacekeeping ops over in Iraq. And they suck at it. They're not designed to do peacekeeping. Their idea of peacekeeping is pacifying the place, which might work in the short term but has long term strategic repercussions that wipe out any short term tactical gains. My Marine buddies agree with me, they shouldn't be there peacekeeping, it's a waste of thier resources. They're a fighting force, not a peacekeeping one.
                    Marines aren't the entire military. The Army is actually doing a much better job at the parts they are doing peacekeeping in.

                    The Marines are also just a corps of the Navy.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
                      You'd be in disagreement with my former Army Ranger Chemistry teacher. Vietnam vet, told us point blank the purpose of the military is to "kill people and break things".

                      He was quite proud of that fact. Though he also told us a story of compassion, but it doesn't really have relevance here.
                      Kinda just forgets about the Army Corps of Engineers which do the opposite of breaking.

                      They do many other things than just killing. Chem units especially...they never get into fighting.

                      A number of people in my forward support unit were very instrumental in helping get people drinkable water during the Katrina disaster a few months ago.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Ted Striker


                        Combined with domestic spying, torture, dropping the Geneva Conventions

                        Well yeah, moving towards a police state


                        we havent dropped the geneva conventions, the admin has disputed their applicability to certain illegal combatants. As will any future Dem admin, I have no doubt. Certain interogation techniques have been overused, I think, and used sloppily. Bad moves. But not a police state, which has to happen at home, I think. France tortured prisoners in Algeria in the '50s, it didnt make France a police state.

                        Dometic spying is a concern, and i have supported the need for thorough congressional investigation.

                        But bear in mind - the "domestic spying" mentioned before this week was spying on convos between people here and abroad. The actions themselves were not wrong, as Jane Harmon and other Dems affirmed. The question is the legality of bypassing the FISA court without permission from congress.

                        Bad idea - I think so
                        Impeachable - I dont think so, but i can see where people are coming from
                        A police state - nope, that idiotic

                        Cant you see the difference between bad things done, including on legal and civil liberties issues, and a police state?

                        Do you realize that misuse of language like that is just the flip side of people who call every dovish position they dont like treason? Oh wait, werent you one of those guys at one time?
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Apocalypse

                          Marines aren't the entire military. The Army is actually doing a much better job at the parts they are doing peacekeeping in.

                          The Marines are also just a corps of the Navy.
                          You should take into consideration that Ted is a binary entity - are the hitable ? yes/no.

                          When you claim that there are several branches of an army, you confuses it seriously - especially when you consider that it claims to know several marines, witch means that he has a marine/civilian view.

                          We must be protective to the Ted unit since it often delivers nice pics, so please stop confusing it.

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                          • #58
                            Aren't you a funny guy

                            Each branch of the military is designed to kill people and break things

                            Some of them are just more effective at it than others

                            Those big Navy ships just carry cruise missiles on them because they look cool, they aren't designed really for killing people
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Apocalypse

                              Marines aren't the entire military. The Army is actually doing a much better job at the parts they are doing peacekeeping in.

                              The Marines are also just a corps of the Navy.
                              I've posted an article on an Army peacekeeping unit in Iraq several times and have given them mad props for actually doing peacekeeping the way they are supposed to be doing it
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by lord of the mark


                                we havent dropped the geneva conventions, the admin has disputed their applicability to certain illegal combatants.
                                Same thing, you can't just pick out the parts you like and then claim to adhere to the Conventions

                                That pretty much undermines them and makes them about as legitmate as UN Resolutions, which are always cherry picked
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