Are chiropractors legit?

[Flubber]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara

Originally posted by Flubber
hmmm so a billion people are fooled but YOU know the TRUTH. Ok . . . got it, moving on now .

And you're going to claim that just because billions of people believe in ghosts that there actually are ghosts? You know better than to try that.

Nope but at the same time I don't necessarily believe YOU when you make some bald assertions.


On ghosts . . . I don't personally believe but I also don't completely discount the possibility of life in other planes or realities that can include what might be termed a "ghost"

On chinese medecine-- I am not shocked that some of it is ineffective since western medicine is discovering all the time that certain things used for years don't work ( from certain drugs today to using "bleeding" as a curative)

[Jon Miller]

I have gotten wood based upon nothing I could understand when consuming a drink with Ginseng in it. I had consumed the Ginseng for it's stimulant properties (I was tired).

Occasionally, and I don't really understand it, Ginseng has a large effect.

Jon Miller

[DaShi]

Originally posted by MRT144

furthermore western medince was created because eastern medicine is crap

Western medicine was created because folk medicine is crap.

[Darius871]

Just thought I'd throw in that I had two painful stress fractures in my L4 vertebrae from football which a chiropractor diagnosed as a "misalignment," and in fact exacerbated the problem by tapping at it for two weeks and widening the fractures. After seeing no results I finally went to a real doctor, who did an MRI and found the problem inside half an hour.

Quacks

[Berzerker]

The spine does not "adjust" when you move it. Like any other part of your body, if you push it, as soon as you stop pushing it, it moves back into place.

There'd be no mis-aligned spines if that were true

what chiro does is stretch muscles/tendons/ligaments that hold the spine in mis-alignment, finding the cause of the mis-alignment is required of course (often posture). I'd go to a doc to find out the nature of the injury before proceeding with chiro or something else. People could avoid all sorts of trouble by stretching real good like animals waking up from a nap, I'm learning that as I get older

[Arrian]

Simple rule of thumb:

If a chiropractor tells you he/she can cure some disease or something else that clearly has no connection to your back, that's a quack warning.

If they tell you they can adjust your back and alleviate some pain/pressure... yeah, they can.

Che, I dunno what happened to you dude, but I've had very good experiences with chiropractors.

-Arrian

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Even though the theory behind TCM is wacky to the West there is no doubt to the curative effects of the herbal remedies.

And you laugh at religious people you hypocrite.

[Sikander]

Re: Re: Are chiropractors legit?

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
No. They are nothing more than glorified massueses at best and dangerous quacks at worst.

The truth is, as with most injuries, your back will most likely heal on its own. But people tend to associate that natural healing with whatever they were doing at the time. Chiropractors, however, especially the ones who really believe their quack cult science, can cause very serious spinal injuries when they attempt to pop your spine (especiually the neck). (Flubber, there are actually a substantial number of injuries do to chiropractor quackery every year.)

The spine does not "adjust" when you move it. Like any other part of your body, if you push it, as soon as you stop pushing it, it moves back into place.

I agree about the quackery. If you need to see someone who makes weird claims about the spine / bones and your general health try an osteopath. They are real doctors who happen to know how to do adjustments.

I disagree about things being out of alignment to some extent. Things can get popped out of place and then remain there because your muscles are holding them in the wrong position. I can usually fix this when it happens to me by attacking the muscle spasm that is holding things in (the wrong) place. Usually that's all it takes, I roll my now relaxed body and whatever bone has been riding in the wrong place slips back into place. Imo most chiropractors don't have the patience to do this with you. Instead they tend to use force to move the bone into place. As Blake says, an osteopath tends to use gentler techniques which at least seem designed to work with the musculature rather than going for the loudest possible pop.

[-Jrabbit]

It really depends on the nature of your injury. I had some pretty serious back problems a couple years ago. Conventional docs put me on meds and bed rest. I got better in about 7-10 days, but the same problem recurred, much worse, in a few months. And the meds weren't helping.

A friend recommended a chiropractor and he changed my life. Got me up and around in a couple days, pain free within a week. The he diagnosed my problem as posture-related and, rather than "fix" my spine position, prescribed custom shoe inserts and and an exercise program.

Changed my life in a very positive way.

Everyone I've referred to this guy (who also does acupuncture and has a fairly holistic approach to health) gives him rave reviews.

I think Che's rant contains some truth, but ignores the fact that many things that a good chiro can do are, in fact, appropriate and effective. Sadly, they are humans, so there are idiots and opportunists in the field (just like any other profession).

Thus, it's important to get a referral from a satisfied customer. YMMV.

[Flubber]

Originally posted by -Jrabbit
It really depends on the nature of your injury. I had some pretty serious back problems a couple years ago. Conventional docs put me on meds and bed rest. I got better in about 7-10 days, but the same problem recurred, much worse, in a few months. And the meds weren't helping.

A friend recommended a chiropractor and he changed my life. Got me up and around in a couple days, pain free within a week. The he diagnosed my problem as posture-related and, rather than "fix" my spine position, prescribed custom shoe inserts and and an exercise program.

Changed my life in a very positive way.

Everyone I've referred to this guy (who also does acupuncture and has a fairly holistic approach to health) gives him rave reviews.

I think Che's rant contains some truth, but ignores the fact that many things that a good chiro can do are, in fact, appropriate and effective. Sadly, they are humans, so there are idiots and opportunists in the field (just like any other profession).

Thus, it's important to get a referral from a satisfied customer. YMMV.

[Zkribbler]

Originally posted by Darius871
Just thought I'd throw in that I had two painful stress fractures in my L4 vertebrae from football which a chiropractor diagnosed as a "misalignment," and in fact exacerbated the problem by tapping at it for two weeks and widening the fractures. After seeing no results I finally went to a real doctor, who did an MRI and found the problem inside half an hour.

Quacks

He didn't take any X-Rays?!? You're right! He is a quack!

[Berzerker]

The he diagnosed my problem as posture-related and, rather than "fix" my spine position, prescribed custom shoe inserts and and an exercise program.

Yup, now that my arches are giving me pain I'm discovering the concept of wearing shoes that ******* FIT MY FEET! My bud just got his new golf shoes designed to fit his feet and he felt a big difference walking 9 the first time out. But I did notice a couple weeks of discomfort as my spine adjusted to the insoles, just a little difference in the shoes translates into a big difference in the lower back. Played havoc with my swing too, I started blading short irons because the insoles made me "taller"... I still haven't got that solved and I have a bunch of tournaments coming up

[Dis]

if chiropractic techniques are legit, why don't real doctors use them?

[-Jrabbit]

Actually, some of them do.

Berz, it looks like, between your spine, your feet, and your vision, you've got plenty of excuses lined up for those tournaments. Sandbagger...

[Darius871]

Originally posted by Zkribbler


He didn't take any X-Rays?!? You're right! He is a quack!

IIRC he did three: one from the rear and two from oblique angles. Either the hairline fractures in the posterior processes were too small to show up without an MRI or he didn't look closely enough, but in any event when a vertebrae has a clear 2mm spondylolisthesis painfully and dangerously abrading the patient's spinal cord you should take every damn precaution. For all I know letting him clang at that thing for a few months would have landed me in a wheelchair.