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    Sun's Direct Role in Global Warming May Be Underestimated, Duke Physicists Report

    Study does not discount the suspected contributions of 'greenhouse gases' in elevating surface temperatures

    Friday, September 30, 2005

    Durham, N.C. -- At least 10 to 30 percent of global warming measured during the past two decades may be due to increased solar output rather than factors such as increased heat-absorbing carbon dioxide gas released by various human activities, two Duke University physicists report.

    The physicists said that their findings indicate that climate models of global warming need to be corrected for the effects of changes in solar activity. However, they emphasized that their findings do not argue against the basic theory that significant global warming is occurring because of carbon dioxide and other “greenhouse” gases.

    Nicola Scafetta, an associate research scientistworking at Duke's physics department, and Bruce West, a Duke adjunct physics professor, published their findings online Sept. 28, 2005, in the research journal Geophysical Research Letters.

    West is also chief scientist in the mathematical and information sciences directorate of the Army Research Office in Research Triangle Park.

    Scafetta's and West's study follows a Columbia University researcher's report of previous errors in the interpretation of data on solar brightnesscollected by sun-observing satellites.

    The Duke physicists also introduce new statistical methods that they assert more accurately describe the atmosphere's delayed response to solar heating. In addition, these new methods filter out temperature-changing effects not tied to global warming, they write in their paper.

    According to Scafetta, records of sunspot activity suggest that solar output has been rising slightly for about 100 years. However, only measurements of what is known as total solar irradiance gathered by satellites orbiting since 1978 are considered scientifically reliable, he said.

    But observations over those years were flawed by the space shuttle Challenger disaster, which prevented the launching of a new solar output detecting satellite called ACRIM 2 to replace a previous one called ACRIM 1.

    That resulted in a two-year data gap that scientists had to rely on other satellites to try to bridge. "But those data were not as precise as those from ACRIM 1 and ACRIM 2,” Scafetta said in an interview.

    Nevertheless, several research groups used the combined satellite data to conclude that that there was no increased heating from the Sun to contribute to the global surface warming observed between 1980 and 2002, the authors wrote in their paper.

    Lacking a standardized, uninterrupted data stream measuring any rising solar influence, those groups thus surmised that all global temperature increases measured during those years had to be caused by solar heat-trapping "greenhouse" gases such as carbon dioxide, introduced into Earth's atmosphere by human activities, their paper added.


    But a 2003 study by a group headed by Columbia's Richard Willson, principal investigator of the ACRIM experiments, challenged the previous satellite interpretations of solar output. Willson and his colleagues concluded, rather that their analysis revealed a significant upward trend in average solar luminosity during the period.

    Using the Columbia findings as the starting point for their study, Scafetta and West then statistically analyzed how Earth's atmosphere would respond to slightly stronger solar heating. Importantly, they used an analytical method that could detect the subtle, complex relationships between solar output and terrestrial temperature patterns.

    The Duke analyses examined solar changes over a period twice as long -- 22 versus 11years -- as was previously covered by another group employinga different statistical approach.

    "The problem is that Earth's atmosphere is not in thermodynamic equilibrium with the sun," Scafetta said. "The longer the time period the stronger the effect will be on the atmosphere, because it takes time to adapt."

    Using a longer 22 year interval also allowed the Duke physicists to filter out shorter range effects that can influence surface temperatures but are not related to global warming, their paper said. Examples include volcanic eruptions, which can temporarily cool the climate, and ocean current changes such as el Nino that affect global weather patterns.

    Applying their analytical method to the solar output estimates by the Columbia group, Scafetta's and West's paper concludes that "the sun may have minimally contributed about 10 to 30 percent of the 1980-2002 global surface warming."

    This study does not discount that human-linked greenhouse gases contribute to global warming, they stressed. "Those gases would still give a contribution, but not so strong as was thought," Scafetta said.

    "We don't know what the Sun will do in the future," Scafetta added. "For now, if our analysis is correct, I think it is important to correct the climate models so that they include reliable sensitivity to solar activity.
    "Once that is done, then it will be possible to better understand what has happened during the past hundred years."

    For more information, contact: Monte Basgall | (919) 681-8057 | monte.basgall@duke.edu
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    This just in! The sun is contributing to global warming! OMFG!
    "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
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    • #3
      What it if blows up? Get a spaceship and run away, turds.

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      • #4
        I wonder if they've put clouds in the global warming models yet. Its ******* pseudoscience and no better than astrology.
        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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        • #5
          Originally posted by SpencerH
          I wonder if they've put clouds in the global warming models yet. Its ******* pseudoscience and no better than astrology.
          No, they've looked at life from all sides now and still somehow clouds just get in the way.
          "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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          • #6
            medical doctors are the worst. Buncha credentialist morons. Want to smakc them upside the head with anM-1

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


              No, they've looked at life from all sides now and still somehow clouds just get in the way.
              We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
              If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
              Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                No, they've looked at life from all sides now and still somehow clouds just get in the way.

                All sides now? I thought that was "Both Sides Now".
                "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                2004 Presidential Candidate
                2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                • #9
                  And CO2 levels being they higest they've been in millions of years has nothing to do with it, so let's just keep on driving over that cliff!
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    30 years ago "excess" CO2 was gonna cause an ice age. Now it supposedly causes global warming. Next year we'll be back to the ice age "theory". Despite that the doomsayers usually only document the glacial retreat since the 70's, glaciers are known to have been in retreat since (at least) the early 1900's. Is the argument that the relatively minescule air pollution of the 1800's contributed to "global warming" even then? If so, there is nothing we can do about it except join the hippies, sing Kumbaya, and await the inevitable.

                    Check out some facts, and leave the pseudoscience behind. http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
                    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                    If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                    Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                    • #11




                      Anyone who thinks that rapid increase starting around 1900 is natural is crazy.

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                      • #12
                        holy ****
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                        • #13
                          why are the different temperature graphs different over the same time period?
                          "Everything for the State, nothing against the State, nothing outside the State" - Benito Mussolini

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                          • #14
                            Nice pics - are they homebrew or do you have a source ?
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                            • #15
                              You can check out the UK Met office:

                              One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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