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Yes, I already suspect so, but there was an example to that tune, I just can't recall what exactly it was.
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"A wind farm that produces the energy equivalent of a conventional power plant would have to cover an area of approximately 200 square kilometres."
Wouldn't that amount to the entire coastline of Britain?DISCLAIMER: the author of the above written texts does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for any offence and insult; disrespect, arrogance and related forms of demeaning behaviour; discrimination based on race, gender, age, income class, body mass, living area, political voting-record, football fan-ship and musical preference; insensitivity towards material, emotional or spiritual distress; and attempted emotional or financial black-mailing, skirt-chasing or death-threats perceived by the reader of the said written texts.Comment
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While last year total world demand for electricity was 440 exajoules and solar has yet to post a single exajoule of power even if you sum up all the electricity it has produced from every solar panel ever made. Solar just isn't the anwser and can never be more then a tiny nitch player.Originally posted by Colon™
I vaguely recall reading something recently, something like the entire coastline of Britain needing to be filled with windmills if you'd want to replace all other plants with it, or the entire earth needing to be covering with solar panels to replace all other forms of power plants. I'm pretty sure I'm wrong with this, but it was something to the tune of either form of generation taking up an outrageous amount of space. Anyone knows what I'm getting at?
Wind does better but not much. Total world wide electrical production from alternative power sources was only aroun 10 exajoules and that's if you include hydro power and the burning of garbage as alternative power sources. The rest comes almost entirely from fossil fuels or nuclear power. If you want to decrease green house gas output and still produce massive amounts of electricity then nuclear is the ONLY option which can deliver.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Didn't he also come out in favor of GM foods a year or so ago?
Genetic enhancement : Activists persist in their zero-tolerance campaign against genetically enhanced food crops. There is no evidence of harm to human health or the environment, and benefits are measurable and significant. Genetically enhanced (GE) food crops reduce chemical pesticides, boost yield and reduce soil erosion. Enriched with Vitamin A, Golden Rice could prevent blindness in 500,000 children per year in Asia and Africa if activists would stop blocking its introduction. Other food crops contain iron, Vitamin E, enhanced protein and better oils. The anti-GE campaign seeks to deny these environmental and nutritional advances by using ''Frankenfood'' scare tactics and misinformation campaigns.
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Hmmm... I guess it depends on how you arrange the footprint and the value you assign to a conventional plant.
The proposed Massachusetts ocean wind farm is ~ 25 square miles and 500 megawatts.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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This site says you need 40m^2 of collector area for every individual. Let's just use the assumptions he uses, which implies you need 260,000,000 km^2 of collector area for the entire human population. Total land area only amounts to 150,000,000 km^2.
(are my calculations correct? TCO?
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40m^2 would be equal to about 4,400 watts peak, with current technology. Seems like a pretty extreme figure, with technological progress marching on.
By way of comparison, my parents' rather standard ranch-style home averages 1,887 watt usage. And that's two people.
I guess you could make the argument that you would need to account for the electricity that they use in the products that they buy and the electricity used at work.
Edit: OK, he's probably correct by way of rough justice on the 40 m^2 part, using today's technology and assuming that everybody has the standard of living and way of living as an average American.Last edited by DanS; April 17, 2006, 16:37.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Isn't that 260,000 km^2, or about 0.17% of total land mass?Originally posted by Colon™
This site says you need 40m^2 of collector area for every individual. Let's just use the assumptions he uses, which implies you need 260,000,000 km^2 of collector area for the entire human population. Total land area only amounts to 150,000,000 km^2.
(are my calculations correct? TCO?)
1 km^2 = 1,000,000 m^2.
An alternative calculation. According to the CIA, global electricity generation is about 17 trillion kwh/year. A roughly 3,000 kwh/year solar system from Kyocera will consist of 20 square meters of panels.
So current demand would be satisfied by 113,333 square kilometers of panels.Last edited by DanS; April 17, 2006, 16:26.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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The latter couldn't possibly be correct, because then we'd be using more energy each day than actually hits the Earth.Originally posted by Colon™
I vaguely recall reading something recently, something like the entire coastline of Britain needing to be filled with windmills if you'd want to replace all other plants with it, or the entire earth needing to be covering with solar panels to replace all other forms of power plants. I'm pretty sure I'm wrong with this, but it was something to the tune of either form of generation taking up an outrageous amount of space. Anyone knows what I'm getting at?Comment
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does this mean we get to clear out wyoming?Originally posted by DanS
So current demand would be satisfied by 113,333 square kilometers of panels."I hope I get to punch you in the face one day" - MRT144, Imran Siddiqui
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People live there?Comment
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Less than half of Wyoming would be required, I'm afraid.Originally posted by MRT144
does this mean we get to clear out wyoming?
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Really?Originally posted by Oerdin
While last year total world demand for electricity was 440 exajoules and solar has yet to post a single exajoule of power even if you sum up all the electricity it has produced from every solar panel ever made. Solar just isn't the anwser and can never be more then a tiny nitch player.
There are homes in northern latitudes that are near net zero electricity consumers through use of solar. If incorporated into new home construction that could be significant, no?(\__/)
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