Greenpeace founder support nuclear energy

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by notyoueither


Not many would want you living in a nature preserve either. It sort of defeats the point.

I thought the point was that it was simply uninhabitable, not that it was designed as a nature preserve.

[notyoueither]

It's obviously habitable. Questions could arise for how long for longer lived organisms, but the point remains that you should stay the **** out whitey.

[Dauphin]

Belarus' environmental policy.

[Impaler[WrG]]

You do realize Chernobyl is located in Ukraine right?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Dauphin
Belarus' environmental policy.

Them too.

What reactor of theirs blew up?

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by Impaler[WrG]
You do realize Chernobyl is located in Ukraine right?

You do realise most of the fallout was on Belarus right?

[notyoueither]

That's not where the abandoned zone is.

[Dauphin]

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The land rendered uninhabitable also stretches out beyond the 30km mark, mainly to the north, in Belarus, and to the west, in Ukraine.

[notyoueither]

And you shouldn't be living in none of it, whitey!

[Dauphin]

Once I'm there I should get a nice radiation tan to disguise myself with.

[notyoueither]

No. It's the jungle. It's where we live and where you die!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger

If photovoltaic cells can achieve an efficieny of ~30% at a reasonable cost that's a practical replacement for conventional generators. Esp. that they can be used in a decentralised fashion.

Have you been following this conversation, or any of the conversations on this subject over the years? If so I can't imagine why you'd think that even a 30% efficient PV cell could replace a conventional generator. At best they'd be another incremental step away from complete reliance on fossil fuel generated electricity. But they still only generate during daylight hours, which means that if you want to run anything at night it's going to be by burning fossil fuels or using a crappy battery that is going to lose most of the PV generated electricity in the conversion.

[Dauphin]

Anyone know how much it would cost to replace roof tiling with, or use in the first instance, solar panels? Assumedly you would only install on the sun-facing side of a home. Then once installed, how much energy/money it would save. I seem to recall my council offering subsidies to anyone who did do that a couple of summers ago.

[Dauphin]

Ok, quick search found this.

Sunny solar delight once only offer

26 August 2004

Twenty more Bromley families will be able to take advantage of generous grants to install solar panels this summer. The Council has teamed up with Solar for London to offer another 20 grants of £500, making total grant funding for installing solar panels £900. The additional Council funding is only available until the end of September. The solar panel offer comes as a recent survey concluded that nine out of 10 house buyers want eco-friendly homes and are prepared to pay extra for the privilege.

"This is a lot of talk about the era of low cost energy coming to an end. The need for energy efficiency is increasingly important and renewable energy such as solar power will become far more common. Solar panels fit easily to your roof and connect to your existing hot water system. The panels absorb heat from sunlight and transfer it to the water coming out of your hot taps. Some people who have already installed solar panels tell us that their hot water has been heated by the sun - even with all the rain we've had this summer" said Martin Parsons, Head of Residential Services.

Fully installed systems typically cost £2,500 for a two-person household and £2,750 for a family. This price is reduced by a solar reward of £500 from Bromley Council (ONLY available to the next 20 households installing a solar water heating system through the Solar for London scheme) and a 'Clear Skies' grant of £400. This means that with both discounts the cost can start at £1,600. Residents can to take up this exclusive offer by calling the Solar for London hotline on 020 7820 3156 or www.bromley.gov.uk/solar.

Many people do not realise that there is enough sun in the UK to heat their hot water. A typical system will provide 90% of hot water demand in the summer, 50% in the spring and 20% in the winter. However, householders ideally need a south facing unshaded roof and a conventional boiler with a hot water tank

This initiative is part of Bromley's commitment to the recently published White Paper on Energy - Our energy future creating a low carbon economy

£2,500 for the job, excluding the grant. So how much would it reduce the yearly electricity bill.

[Cort Haus]

Originally posted by Dauphin
£2,500 for the job, excluding the grant. So how much would it reduce the yearly electricity bill.

Good question. Call it X then 2500/X is the number of years it takes to pay off. Add cleaning & repair bills over the long haul and .... pffft