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  • #31
    Originally posted by Oerdin
    This thread is just plan silly. Those protests have been going on for weeks and just because they continue and hold one on May 1st (likely continuing on after May 1st as well) you think this will introduce communism to the US? This is so seriously lame and obviously less then a footnote in the whole immigration controversy that I have to wonder if you didn't get it from a Fox News. This totally sounds like the type of red herring Fox News would run.
    It's much more important than you believe it is, but in a roundabout way. Let me explain...

    The big fight in DC is whether and how to give illegal aliens citizenship. If you give the illegals citizenship, then they have a right to vote. So how will they vote? The smart political circles in DC are trying to figure that out right now. A good proponent of immigrant rights would demonstrate to Dems how they would vote Dem and demonstrate to Republicans how they would vote GOP, or, over time, come to vote GOP.

    Thankfully, for the last 80 or so years, the US hasn't had a serious leftist movement. But in most parts of Latin America, the leftists are organized and in some cases in power. They have all sorts of crazy ass ideas. I do not wish our body politic to be contaminated by importing a well organized leftist movement!

    Beyond the national politics, the catholic church is a strong proponent of immigrant rights. Cardinal McCarick spoke at the DC rallies, f.e. I am a catholic, and I do not want the church associating with communists. The church of John Paul II spent decades trying to turn itself away from the Liberation Theology espoused mainly in Latin America.
    Last edited by DanS; April 15, 2006, 13:04.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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    • #32
      Re: Re: Introduction of May Day in US through immigrant protests

      Originally posted by Master Zen
      Holy jesus...

      Do you walk with a bowling ball in your left arm to avoid leaning so goddamn far to the right?
      Yeh, well, you're one of those Latin American leftists with crazy ass ideas.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #33
        I'm surprised that the thread title doesn't start with "Let the good times roll:"......

        Blah

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        • #34
          I'm a man of many interests...
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #35
            May Day is a traditional American holiday going back to colonial times. It's only in the last century that its celebration has been abandoned. Picture dozens of little blonde girls and boys in white dresses and suits dancing around a big poll while wrapping the ribbons they're holding around the self same pole. Good times, huh?
            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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            • #36
              Dan:

              The question is whether or not to give illegals the opportunity to apply for permanent residency. Thats a big difference from citizenship, namely that permanent residents can't vote. Also, one must be a permanent resident for many years in order to apply for citizenship.

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              • #37
                The question is whether or not to give illegals the opportunity to apply for permanent residency.
                You're making a distinction without a difference. In the US, after a certain period of time, permanent residents can apply for citizenship.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DanS


                  You're making a distinction without a difference. In the US, after a certain period of time, permanent residents can apply for citizenship.
                  Yeah, apply for it. After five years.

                  And the talk is only of letting them apply for permanent residence, its not automatic that they'll get it.

                  You're not going to wake up one day and have 12 million new voters. Thats just ridiculous.

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                  • #39
                    You're making an argument that the timeline to citizenship really matters. I think it doesn't much.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #40
                      Yes. But in ten years, we will. Which makes it an important consideration to long-term political strategists in Washington.

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                      • #41
                        Yes, but I don't think you are taking into account what an undertaking getting permanent residence is.

                        I've done it before, in Canada, and it was a mind numbingly frustrating process. Its also very expensive. And this is Canada, a country whose immigration procedures are much easier than the United States. I can only imagine what these people have to go through in the US, especially the ones who don't speak fluent English. It must be a nightmare.

                        If the legislation does pass, I guarantee many many who are able to apply for permanent residence will not apply simply because its easier to stay illegal.

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                        • #42
                          Dan, go to http://uscis.gov and actually have a look at what it takes to become a citizen. Have a look at all the documentation and fees that needs to be provided in order to acquire permanent resident status.

                          Allowing someone to apply for PR does not equal "giving them citizenship". Its about as far from it as you can get.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by DanS
                            Thankfully, for the last 80 or so years, the US hasn't had a serious leftist movement. But in most parts of Latin America, the leftists are organized and in some cases in power. They have all sorts of crazy ass ideas. I do not wish our body politic to be contaminated by importing a well organized leftist movement!
                            Yeah, god forbid ever helping poor people becomes a national policy...
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                            • #44
                              God forbid that after you leftists have screwed over your country, you should endeavor to screw over mine.
                              I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                              • #45
                                [SIZE=1] Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn
                                Allowing someone to apply for PR does not equal "giving them citizenship". Its about as far from it as you can get.
                                When American politicians talk about permanent residency for illegal aliens, they are meaning that they expect the citizenship rolls to rise accordingly. That's a fact. Maybe you aren't arguing against this, and if so, I'm at a loss to explain the significance of what you are saying...
                                Last edited by DanS; April 15, 2006, 23:34.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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