Is it good policy to give financial aid to liberal arts majors?

[Ted Striker]

Ohhhhh Finn fight!!!

Get yer heavy winter coats and electric bum warmers out !

[Cyclotron]

Last comment, VJ? That was my first comment. And I heartily encourage you to put me on your ignore list - from our previous discussions, I'm surprised you haven't done so already.

I ALSO said that you can't put numbers to everything, like in my last post? And that some of it was still valuable?

My point was, just because we can't put numbers into everything doesnt' mean that the thing is valuable, or can't be put into numbers if we really wanted to.

You did, and I admit to misreading the last part of your post; you have my sincere apologies.

Nevertheless, I can't say I look favorably on the idea that things should be put into numbers whenever possible. I also disagree that most liberal arts majors are wasting their time - I'm sure as many are "grunts in the machine" as liberal arts majors are. I think it's especially deceptive to say that because the world is getting increasingly technological, we have more need for scientists or less of a need for other kinds of people - I don't think the fundamental condition of people, whatever you define that to be, has changed much. We are still as much in need of social progress as we ever were.

[BeBMan]

Bah liberal arts. All those barbarians lived well without them, so why do we need them.

[Pekka]

We are waiting for libruls to make that social progress and start being people of the new millenium like the rest of us....

[RGBVideo]

Ohhhhh Finn fight!!!

You didn't understand: we agree with each other

edit:

Last comment, VJ? That was my first comment.

Nope, it was your last at the time I wrote my post. It certainly wasn't the first one, considering you had posted this:

This thread has not made progress in any direction for around six pages. It has transcended time and achieved timeless immortality.

comment (also with a negative input value, I might add) less than half an hour before. Just correcting your claims.

[Ted Striker]

U just need a huge roasted animal leg to eat and like a huge warhammer and a bunch of fur!!!!!!!!

Oh and growling!

[BeBMan]

[Cyclotron]

Originally posted by Pekka
We are waiting for libruls to make that social progress and start being people of the new millenium like the rest of us....

What do you define as "people of the new millenium?" The technologically adept?

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by VJ

You didn't understand: we agree with each other

damn

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
liberal arts are really the only majors who need financial aid, since if you didnt get any, it would take you over a decade to pay off your loans.

all the harder subjects allow you to pay off your loans much quicker, so its worth the investment, and a student doesnt need as much financial aid.

If more women took those subjects, you'd see the average time taken to pay off the loans skyrocket.

And why the hell should we pay anywhere nearthe same fees as science students if you want to be "fair"? We don't have any expensive equipment or computers or huge labs. We have a few of these strange things called "books" and food to keep the professors alive.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

I would think encouraging less well off students to study fields with higher payoffs would lead to more equality...

I agree completely. Thomas Sowell has written about this extensively. He studied the economic paths of immigrants and ethnic groups within the U.S. One of the surest indicators of a group on the rise economically was that its members tended to study the sciences rather than the arts. This is a particularly important point now that so many members of economically disadvantaged minorities in the U.S. major in ethnic studies and the like. This is a great way to create / feed / extend strife within a society because it increases expectations and demands while delivering mainly disappointment which can be conveniently blamed on "the man".

[TCO]

Originally posted by Agathon


I didn't mean that kind of argument. I meant arguments about when it is justifiable to trust authorities when you don't know yourself. The dumb answer is "never", but that is impractical.

This is the position most of us are in regarding climate change. I have no desire to wade through acres of stats because it's not that interesting to me on its own, we employ meterologists to think about it for us.

It would be more useful in this case to argue about the limits of justified credibility in authorities than to actually argue the case, I think.

Actually, I have not read that much on Kytoto, just on the hockey stick. In terms of who to trust, sometimes you have to trust an authority. And my prejudice is usually against the crank, etc. I think that you can read and question though, if you have the time to kvetch on the BBS.

This link addresses some of your topic: http://www.mcfreedom.com/2005/02/you-lose.html

[Lawrence of Arabia]

If more women took those subjects, you'd see the average time taken to pay off the loans skyrocket.

And why the hell should we pay anywhere nearthe same fees as science students if you want to be "fair"? We don't have any expensive equipment or computers or huge labs. We have a few of these strange things called "books" and food to keep the professors alive.

becuase you also bring in less endowments, and your graduates have no money to donate for new labs etc. thats why you pay the same.

[Colonâ„¢]

Originally posted by Sikander


I agree completely. Thomas Sowell has written about this extensively. He studied the economic paths of immigrants and ethnic groups within the U.S. One of the surest indicators of a group on the rise economically was that its members tended to study the sciences rather than the arts. This is a particularly important point now that so many members of economically disadvantaged minorities in the U.S. major in ethnic studies and the like. This is a great way to create / feed / extend strife within a society because it increases expectations and demands while delivering mainly disappointment which can be conveniently blamed on "the man".

Just to make clear, humanities was considered to be part of arts in this study?

[Az]

could anyone please explain what are those "endowments"?