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  • #91
    Originally posted by Kuciwalker
    UR can access Wikipedia?

    EDIT: For that matter, DaShi can? My girlfriend is in China right now, and the Great Firewall has Wikipedia blocked for her.
    UR is in Hong Kong. They have much more freedoms than the mainland. He can gladly support the mainland's repression, while living free of it himself.

    I'm no longer in China.

    Whereabouts is she?
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • #92
      Originally posted by TCO
      The amount of direct greenhouse gassing is small. What is required is positive feedback (via water vapor). The amount of this is not proven or "well understood".
      He's just busting KrazyKitty's balls. A direct quote from him.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #93
        It is?

        I recall him saying something vaguely similar a while ago, but that's it.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by DaShi
          UR is in Hong Kong. They have much more freedoms than the mainland. He can gladly support the mainland's repression, while living free of it himself.

          I'm no longer in China.

          Whereabouts is she?
          Beijing, visiting relatives. By everything she's said, the pollution is absolutely terrible there.

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          • #95
            Well, if you weren't busting his balls, then by all means drop a footnote with the source, you plagerer.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #96
              Originally posted by Kuciwalker


              Beijing, visiting relatives. By everything she's said, the pollution is absolutely terrible there.
              I've heard that it's gotten better. That's one of the things they are working on for 2008. Been years since I've been there. It was miserable, but now I hear there's a lot more green.
              “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
              "Capitalism ho!"

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              • #97
                Greenhouse gas - Wikipedia
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas


                Yes it's wikipedia, but the simple case is easy to model (we've done it in school using Stella, even).

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by DaShi
                  I've heard that it's gotten better. That's one of the things they are working on for 2008. Been years since I've been there. It was miserable, but now I hear there's a lot more green.
                  If it's better now I can't imagine what it's like before. The way she tells it, you can't see more than several hundred feet because of the haze.

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                  • #99
                    Temperatures are still within historical parameters yes, but the rise, the acceleration in temperature change if you like, itself is like nothing in the geological or environmental record.
                    The record is not filled in with data to give temps every year or even decade the further back we go in time, what we see in the record are trends and trendlines, not short term spikes or dips. The fact is we are within the parameters of past warming periods.

                    A lot of land that needs more heat? Are you talking about that land becoming more economically viable for humans, because that's a shockingly short-sighted thing to suggest.
                    Thats a rebuttal? Actually it would take quite a bit of time for northern latitudes (and people) to respond, but since the alternative is a return of the ice sheets, your opinion is both unsupported and illogical.

                    By most accounts, Northern Europe will become tundra, most of the USA will be burned to a crisp and a great deal of pressure will be put on the world's population through problems with food supply, and most of all water supply. I can't see how civilisation in its current form, or at least the concept of the nation state, could possibly survive such a change.
                    By most accounts?

                    You're trying to explain why climate change will benefit mankind but the examples you've given are short sighted and ill-thought out.
                    Ya ya, you said that.

                    The fact is that you and I do not know what climate change will bring.
                    By most accounts we dont know? We do know what happens when the ice sheets grow, a mile thick layer of ice covered NYC.

                    What we do know is that we, today, are already in a precarious position. There are 6 and a half billion people on this planet, we're ridiculously overpopulated and there aren't enough resources to cope. If you tip that balance it is almost guaranteed that there will be immense suffering, and if, in centuries to come, the changes benefit mankind, it wont be in ways that you predict, or could account for in any argument proposing climate change, since your way of thinking will have died out along with millions.
                    Look at a map. Where's most of the land? You're worried about resource depletion but think its shortsighted to welcome a warmer northern hemisphere? Those resources are better off locked up in tundra-like conditions?

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                    • #100
                      Originally posted by TCO


                      climateaudit.org Has more math, more content, more posts, and more free discussion. RC is about at the peurile level and with the same slant as your average "Fresh Air" on NPR.
                      It's also run by an amateur. Forgive me if I don't share your confidence.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #101
                        I think he was one of those who successfully dinged the hockey stick graph paper. He deserves some street cred for that.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #102
                          The way she tells it, you can't see more than several hundred feet because of the haze.


                          Hell, it get hazy here when all the dust blows over from China. It was so bad last weekend that you could look directly at the sun. Was just a pale white disk...
                          KH FOR OWNER!
                          ASHER FOR CEO!!
                          GUYNEMER FOR OT MOD!!!

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                          • #103
                            Originally posted by Agathon


                            It's also run by an amateur. Forgive me if I don't share your confidence.
                            He's published in GRL and presented to NAS. He can bring it on the stats stuff. Runs R like a pro. Has spent years working on this stuff. Was the top math student in Canada as an u/g.

                            And is willing to engage in debate/discussion like a real philosopher. Not like the herrdoktorprofessor sophists at RC, who just pat people on the head.

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                            • #104
                              Originally posted by Cort Haus
                              Someone should cc Ken Livingstone this letter.

                              Livingstone (mayor of London) refuses to allow desalination plants to solve the London water shortage because they use "too much energy", and energy=global warming according to eco-dogma.

                              Instead, Livingstone advises Londoners not to flush their toilets to save water. Nice one, Ken. Presumably we should stop washing as well.
                              Just build nuclear power plants and you can have all the nonGHG energy you want.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                              • #105
                                Originally posted by Oerdin


                                Just build nuclear power plants and you can have all the nonGHG energy you want.
                                In all seriousness, I would like a more tropical climate in Richmond.

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