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  • MSNBC: White House afraid of being charged with war crimes.

    Or at least their lawyers have been warning them that such charges could be in the works by future Justice Departments. We can only hope.

    Memos Reveal War Crimes Warnings

    The White House's top lawyer warned more than two years ago that U.S. officials could be prosecuted for "war crimes" as a result of new and unorthodox measures used by the Bush administration in the war on terrorism, according to an internal White House memo and interviews with participants in the debate over the issue.

    The concern about possible future prosecution for war crimes—and that it might even apply to Bush adminstration officials themselves— is contained in a crucial portion of an internal January 25, 2002, memo by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales obtained by NEWSWEEK. It urges President George Bush declare the war in Afghanistan, including the detention of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, exempt from the provisions of the Geneva Convention.

    In the memo, the White House lawyer focused on a little known 1996 law passed by Congress, known as the War Crimes Act, that banned any Americans from committing war crimes—defined in part as "grave breaches" of the Geneva Conventions. Noting that the law applies to "U.S. officials" and that punishments for violators "include the death penalty," Gonzales told Bush that "it was difficult to predict with confidence" how Justice Department prosecutors might apply the law in the future. This was especially the case given that some of the language in the Geneva Conventions—such as that outlawing "outrages upon personal dignity" and "inhuman treatment" of prisoners—was "undefined."

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  • #2
    I guess Bush could just issue a pre-emptive pardon to everyone. That just leaves himself.....
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    • #3
      Re: MSNBC: White House afraid of being charged with war crimes.

      Originally posted by Oerdin
      Or at least their lawyers have been warning them that such charges could be in the works by future Justice Departments. We can only hope.


      http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4999734
      No President is going to be on trial. The Incoming Pres would pardon him. If you notice that when Bush became Pres, he told his people to stop talking about what Clinton people did to the White House before they left. No Pres wants that box open ever.

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      • #4
        Ya, the Gonzales memo is infamous

        If this were any other country except for the USA there would be hell to pay over this

        We get away with this crap because we can
        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ted Striker
          We get away with this crap because we can
          God Bless America! :wavingflag:
          "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
          "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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          • #6
            I've mentioned this before - its a real possibility.
            Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

            Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Vince278


              God Bless America! :wavingflag:
              I doubt He (or She) will be that eager to forgive you. Sure, omnipotence implies infinite forgiveness, but you people...
              I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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              • #8
                It's hard to imagine the USDJ trying to prosecute a former president when they have maintained the legality of the presidents actions.
                We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
                  omnipotence implies infinite forgiveness
                  I've never heard that one before.
                  "And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
                  "Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
                  2004 Presidential Candidate
                  2008 Presidential Candidate (for what its worth)

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                  • #10
                    hey, a David Floyd sighting

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                    • #11
                      Spencer, supposedly the worry is that a new President will be elected so that the political appointees who have been defending Bush's illegal actions goes and then the new bunch decide to actually charge them for breaking the law.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Oerdin
                        Spencer, supposedly the worry is that a new President will be elected so that the political appointees who have been defending Bush's illegal actions goes and then the new bunch decide to actually charge them for breaking the law.
                        I understand that. One (of many) problem(s) with this thinking is that most of the DOJ, including those who provided the analyses as to the legality of these actions, are not political appointees but career civil servants. Even without a question for the supremes as to the presidents constitutional responsibility to prosecute this war including Guantanamo (which he clearly has IMO), their testimony would scuttle any attempt to prosecute the president on this matter.

                        I doubt that any american politician, even a leftist loony such as Howard Dean, would be stupid enough to commit political suicide by attempting to prosecute such a bizarre opinion i.e. that Bush is a war criminal.

                        While still extremely unlikely IMO, a much more probable scenario is that a future administration will not defend the current policy of detention in a foreign or "international" court.
                        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                        If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                        Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                        • #13
                          It's not a bizaare opinion. Bush is a war criminal. America, however, never prosecutes its own politicians for such conduct. Because that would be admitting we did such conduct in the first place. We're more like the Japanese in this regard. Deny everything.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chegitz guevara
                            It's not a bizaare opinion. Bush is a war criminal. America, however, never prosecutes its own politicians for such conduct. Because that would be admitting we did such conduct in the first place. We're more like the Japanese in this regard. Deny everything.
                            Wanna present your position as to how/why Bush is a 'war criminal' rather than the usual lefty-rant.
                            We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                            If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                            Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by David Floyd
                              I guess Bush could just issue a pre-emptive pardon to everyone. That just leaves himself.....
                              Yet another reason to support my proposal for a Constitutional amended requiring "advice and concent" from the Senate on Presidential pardons.

                              Ford's pardon of Nixon.
                              Clinton's pardon of Rich.
                              Now, a possibily of Bush pardoning everyone.

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