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    An interesting paper from Congressional Research Service about the organization


    They present Al Q as an political organization with a tiered goal which is roughly:

    #1. being expelling US/other foreign forces from Muslim lands
    #2. Creating one Muslim state with Sharia law
    #3. Wiping out Israel
    #4. Dealing with Shia Muslims

    Luckily this is really a long shot and they have no chance really to get it all together, however they got a head start as after 9-11 US+allies are at least doing what they wanted - which is they have given them a front to fight.

    One in Afghanistan, but more importantly another one in Iraq. One can just assume, given the constant level of violence in Iraq that this unstable situation is perfect for preaching of such extremist idealogy in the region, especially in Sunni area, as the Al Q as an organization do not really "support" Shia version of Islam, and their version of the Islamic society is uniform and principally "sunni".

    In any case Bush did give the organization a life saver card, and true ground on which to "breed" their supporters.

    The assesment finishes with this


    Overall, Al Qaeda leaders have displayed a pragmatic willingness to adapt the
    strategic and tactical content of their statements to changing circumstances while
    retaining a messianic commitment to their broader ideological agenda. Although Bin
    Laden’s self-professed goal is to “move, incite, and mobilize the [Islamic] nation”43
    until it reaches a revolutionary “ignition point,”44 Al Qaeda leaders’ statements and
    Al Qaeda’s attacks largely have failed to effectively mobilize widespread Muslim
    support for their agenda thus far.

    Since late 2001, however, public opinion polling and media monitoring in the Middle East and broader Islamic world indicate that
    dissatisfaction with the United States and its foreign policy has grown significantly
    within many Muslim societies.
    In light of this trend, Al Qaeda leaders’ shift toward more explicitly political and
    ideological rhetoric seems to signal a direct attempt to broaden the movement’s
    appeal, solicit greater financial and material support, and possibly inspire new and
    more systematically devastating attacks. Some experts have argued however, that the
    uncompromising, anti-democratic tone of some public statements by Bin Laden, Al
    Zawahiri, and Al Zarqawi may alienate Muslims who oppose theocracy or who
    support secular or representative government.

    Experience suggests that Al Qaeda’s leaders believe that regular attempts to
    characterize Al Qaeda’s actions as defensive and religiously sanctioned will increase
    tolerance of and support for their broader ideological program. The identification of
    limited political objectives and the implication that their fulfilment will resolve
    broader grievances may generate broader appeal than the group’s underlying
    ideological agenda. Osama Bin Laden’s truce proposals addressed to citizens of the
    United States and its European allies illustrate this trend, but the proposals’ validity
    has been questioned due to ongoing attacks and continuing threats.


    One can only hope that this “ignition point,” will never be reached, but in a strange twist the possible "nuclear row with Al Q enemy Iran could provide that “ignition point,”. One can surely hope for that not to happen, but overall the US actions after 9-11 really played on Al Q cards. The assesment mentiones as well that Al Q leadership was not satisfied with the level of "damage" they inflicted to US at home, but were happy that even what they achieved was enough to get the US act as they wanted


    The third and “ultimate objective,” according to Al Adl, “was to
    prompt [the United States] to come out of its hole.” Al Adl claims that Al Qaeda
    wanted to provoke the United States into attacking areas of the Islamic world
    associated with the organization and its affiliates. In doing so, Al Adl claims, Al
    Qaeda hoped to make it easier to attack elements of U.S. power and to build its
    “credibility in front of [the Islamic] nation and the beleaguered people of the world.”
    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
    GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

  • #2
    They present Al Q as an political organization with a tiered goal which is roughly:

    #1. Expelling US/other foreign forces from Muslim lands
    #2. Creating one Muslim state with Sharia law
    #3. Wiping out Israel
    #4. Dealing with Shia Muslims
    As to (1), I see no real possiblity of achieving this in countries like Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Indonesia, and Singapore. If the al Qaeda/Baathist coalition is successful in Iraq, it may have a domino affect in the Gulf (e.g. Saudi Arabia; Kuwait; UAE), but certainly not in more distant land. General Musharik (sp) has been in a precarious position ever since 9-11.

    (2) Is a fantasy. Getting Muslims to unite into one country?? Ain't gonna happen.

    (3) Wiping out Isreal?

    (4) Dealing with Shia Muslim? The insurgency is trying really hard in Iraq to spark a religous war, but the spark isn't catching. After that, there will be nuclear-armed Iran to deal with.

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    • #3
      #3. Wiping out Israel

      Surprise surprise
      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

      Asher on molly bloom

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Zkribbler


        As to (1), I see no real possiblity of achieving this in countries like Egypt, Tunisia, Morocco, Indonesia, and Singapore. If the al Qaeda/Baathist coalition is successful in Iraq, it may have a domino affect in the Gulf (e.g. Saudi Arabia; Kuwait; UAE), but certainly not in more distant land. General Musharik (sp) has been in a precarious position ever since 9-11.

        (2) Is a fantasy. Getting Muslims to unite into one country?? Ain't gonna happen.

        (3) Wiping out Isreal?

        (4) Dealing with Shia Muslim? The insurgency is trying really hard in Iraq to spark a religous war, but the spark isn't catching. After that, there will be nuclear-armed Iran to deal with.
        of course that the goals are far fetched, but if they ever had a good chance to prove themselves, Iraq is that, similar as Afghanistan was the chance to prove themselves vs the soviets. (and look what happened - Taliban regime, supported directly from our "friends" Pakistan) so this one is very good ground for them to breed supporters.

        Very far fetched, and in reality impossible, but well here they are we gave them a "life saver" card, if anywhere they will get a lot of people listen to them in sunni part of Iraq.
        Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
        GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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        • #5
          Yes, we should have deprived them of their front by not attacking at all. If they want war, we'll give them peace. Killing terrorists with peace

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          • #6
            Originally posted by StarLightDeath
            Yes, we should have deprived them of their front by not attacking at all. If they want war, we'll give them peace. Killing terrorists with peace
            sure, what about killing them with intelligence agents, as usual, and not opening a recruitiment front, kill one get 2 free.
            Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
            GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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