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    Article is from Time.

    One Morning in Haditha
    Last November, U.S. Marines killed 15 Iraqi civilians in their homes. Was it self-defense, an accident or cold-blooded revenge?


    The incident seemed like so many others from this war, the kind of tragedy that has become numbingly routine amid the daily reports of violence in Iraq. On the morning of Nov. 19, 2005, a roadside bomb struck a humvee carrying Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, on a road near Haditha, a restive town in western Iraq. The bomb killed Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20, from El Paso, Texas. The next day a Marine communique from Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi reported that Terrazas and 15 Iraqi civilians were killed by the blast and that "gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire," prompting the Marines to return fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding one other. The Marines from Kilo Company held a memorial service for Terrazas at their camp in Haditha. They wrote messages like "T.J., you were a great friend. I'm going to miss seeing you around" on smooth stones and piled them in a funeral mound. And the war moved on.

    But the details of what happened that morning in Haditha are more disturbing, disputed and horrific than the military initially reported. According to eyewitnesses and local officials interviewed over the past 10 weeks, the civilians who died in Haditha on Nov. 19 were killed not by a roadside bomb but by the Marines themselves, who went on a rampage in the village after the attack, killing 15 unarmed Iraqis in their homes, including seven women and three children. Human-rights activists say that if the accusations are true, the incident ranks as the worst case of deliberate killing of Iraqi civilians by U.S. service members since the war began.

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    Last edited by Richelieu; March 20, 2006, 11:00.
    What?

  • #2
    The Americans think peacekeeping is for sissies. This is the inevitable result.

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    • #3
      I'm surprised it didn't get more reactions.
      What?

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      • #4
        Hmmm, this is indeed is disturbing. Especially since you haven't got too many reporters wandering around freely who can cajole the military into an investigation when misbehaviour takes place.
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        • #5
          You'd think that if this story is true that it would have been more widely distributed around the middle east, and hence to Europe where one would expect a bit of outrage.
          "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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          • #6
            It's not widely circulated because it's not assumed to be true, and it's not assumed to be true because it's not widely circulated: kind of a circular logic innit?
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            • #7
              And of course, this isn't some rag (well, relatively speaking). Time Magazine is a pretty respected news magazine. The issue just came out today, so I wonder the response.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #8
                DEJA VU

                (seriously I'm having a deja vu, my post, that post of Imran, that thread of Iaiaiain I made, just freaky)

                (sorry, carry on)
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                • #9
                  BBC, News, BBC News, news online, world, uk, international, foreign, british, online, service


                  Top news on BBC. Looks like the ball got rolling.
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                  • #10
                    Well my plan is to not say anything about it and hope it goes away
                    "Wait a minute..this isn''t FAUX dive, it's just a DIVE!"
                    "...Mangy dog staggering about, looking vainly for a place to die."
                    "sauna stories? There are no 'sauna stories'.. I mean.. sauna is sauna. You do by the laws of sauna." -P.

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                    • #11
                      It showed up on the Front Page of the Chicago Tribune this morning. The ball rolls further.
                      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
                      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sandman
                        The Americans think peacekeeping is for sissies. This is the inevitable result.
                        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                        • #13
                          This is one of the great dangers of a guerilla war. The troops get frustrated with seeing their buddies die from the flea-bite attacks of the guerillas and lash out at the nearest targets, innocent though they may be.

                          It happened in Vietnam and it turned the population against the Americans, and eventually turned the American public against the war.

                          God help us if it happens again in Iraq.

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                          • #14
                            Dr Strangelove, it was reported in here. But more as in 'Times wrote..', not as factual incident. Outraged? I don't think so, because it's Times material so it's not like we know if this is true or not.

                            But some anti-americans are always outraged, that's nothing new. But they aren't especially outraged even today. They're asleep I guess.
                            In da butt.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zkribbler
                              God help us if it happens again in Iraq.
                              He won't.


                              I agree with the rest of your analysys, and I'm afraid this incident is just the tip of the iceberg coming at the US.

                              I hope Time is wrong, although deep down I know this is/was just waiting to happen.
                              "post reported"Winston, on the barricades for freedom of speech
                              "I don't like laws all over the world. Doesn't mean I am going to do anything but post about it."Jon Miller

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